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      This post is not making fun of workers. Too often we see workers identify with rich capitalists and see their own lack of capital as a personal failing. But once we recognize the difference between the two classes we can dispel ourselves of that notion.

      Members of the working class sell their labor in order to gain money and buy the necessities of life. The ruling class buys labor in order to see a profit on the money they already have. Since capitalism compels the capitalist to make a profit, they must pay the worker a fraction of the value that the worker creates. (The business owner wants to stay in business and the shareholders demand every-increasing value.) Hence we should not consider ourselves capitalists: we are workers who are being exploited, as necessitated by the system.

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          21 hours ago

          Does the post really come across as saying being a worker is bad and being a capitalist is good? If so, that might say something about the connotations we attach to these terms.

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        Why can’t you be a worker and a capitalist?

        Buying work also has some risk. Everyone gets their cut, you’re only exploited if the revenue is really unbalanced

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          Let’s consider an analogy: the slave owner and the slave. The slave owner lives on the labor of his slaves. The slave owner takes the value of the slaves’ labor and returns a fraction of that value to the slave in the form of food, clothing, and shelter. (Suppose it would be unprofitable to let the slave die.) To your point, the slave owner can also work with his slaves in the field if they so choose. And maybe the slave owner has a pleasant demeanor and treats the slaves (relatively) well. But no matter how he works in the fields and no matter how nice he is, the slave owner is still living off of the value of the slaves. Moreover, in a system of widespread slavery, he needs slave-labor in order to compete with other slave owners.

          You may object that there are several disanalogies here. The modern-day worker can choose who gets the value of their labor. The experienced worker can negotiate higher wages based on higher earning potential. The successful worker may acquire enough money to go into business for themselves and hire others.

          Perhaps these are fair objections but they do not touch on the point of the analogy. There is a fundamental distinction between the slave owner, who lives on the labor of slaves, and the slaves who labor for the slave owner. Similarly, there is a fundamental distinction between the capitalist, who lives on the labor of workers, and the workers who labor for the capitalist.

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              No. It states that capitalist are the ones who own the means of production and just collect profits without any real input needed.

              The worker therefore is someone who works for the capitalists and does not own these means thus they have to work for their money.

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                Doesn’t make sense anymore

                The image clearly says “you have to work to life” and you’re saying the opposite

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                  If you own a factory you don’t need to work to live. You just collect the profits and are a capitalist.

                  If you work in said factory to make enough money to live you are a worker.

                  This meme says you should not be for capitalism if you are a worker.

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                    If you own a factory you don’t need to work to live. You just collect the profits and are a capitalist.

                    It’s not as easy. Unless people do all the work for you, you still have to manage that factory

                    You can also capitalize on the money you make from your work, making you take risks just like the factory owner for a revenue

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                  Both people in the meme are workers, but Michael is pointing out that Pam thinks she’s a benefactor of capitalism, but isn’t, by being a worker.

                  The lines in the meme aren’t exactly a match for the personalities from the show, and it sort of flips the meme format regarding who’s “in the know”, i.e. normally Pam is confounded by nonsense while Michael is just oblivious.

                  Edit: Interestingly, though, the format still kind of follows in that both workers, Michael (boss) and Pam (employee), are helplessly taking orders from corporate (capital).

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                    Someone worked at some point. Managing your wealth is also working to an extent.

                    The huge majority of people have to work anyways

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          Class differences.

          People struggling financially acting like they got “fuck you” money being shitty to everyone like they’ll be billionaires some day. Being mean to people they perceive beneath themselves for not being white like the peach pedophile. Shit like that is the problem.

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      I think OP is operating under the idea that workers aren’t voting for their own interests (or alternatively not holding a revolution) because they don’t see themselves in one of two broad categories.

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      Elon Musk of course, dude works more hours than most of us. He even slept in tesla factory for quite some time

      EDIT: Obvious /j, but at the same time not really. If you think CEOs don’t work, then that sounds a bit delusional