• Mika@sopuli.xyz
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    Still multitudes better than soviet union at any time and period.

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      One authoritarian-devolved state being better than another is not the flex you think it is…

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        It devolved because people take democracy for granted. And unlike USSR, it can heal without falling apart if people start acting like citizen (I don’t have high hopes btw).

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          My goodness, what nonsense…

          It devolved into authoritarianism because Stalin - an authoritarian brute - took over. Lenin even stated in his diaries that Stalin taking over “would be a catastrophe”.

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            It devolved into autherianism as soon as bolsheviks took over, and that was right at the beginning. Stalin was a catastrophe because he was more wicked than the rest of them, but it doesn’t mean that whatever Lenin was doing wasn’t authoritarian project.

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              So, now you’re saying that they never actually tried communism, because it was authoritarianism from the get go?

              I mean, I appreciate the correction, but it only strengthens my point.

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                It devolved into it in the first years of tries and failures, which was under Lenin’s rule.

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                  You need to make up your mind. Was it right away, or after some time?

                  But, regardless, you’re still proving my point - the people who attempted “communism” where autocrats who wanted power more than they wanted communism. And my second point that those who are good at leading a revolution and putting the existing system to the torch are not necessarily great at building something in peace.