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when i first heard about the male loneliness epidemic i was like oh yeah close camaraderie and bonding between men is often discouraged in favor of competition or, if not discouraged, at least filtered through a lens of individualism that precludes deep connections. and then i learned what people meant by it (men arent getting laid) to which i say skill issue
to all the men out there not getting laid: try less hard to get laid and try more hard to be an enjoyable and relaxing presence
It’s still a stupid way to look at it.
First of all: male feminists can indeed feel entitled to women as well as men who aren’t feminist can just feel socially lonely and not being obsessed with women who don’t date them.
I think it is dumb to have leftist and feminism as a criteria for a man being a good person or not. It is a reductive way to think about the issue and very tribalistic.
Second of all: There are many people out there, not just men, who aren’t obsessed with the culture war, who still struggle with loneliness and the problem is multi faceted. Off the top of my head these are some of the issues I spot in the developed world that causes the loneliness epidemic:
long workdays and lower pay than in the past. People are exhausted and poorer than they were in the past. There is not much energy left after work to go be a productive, social member of society.
phones and social media. Today it is easier to connect with people than ever before, but it is also a time waster and it opens the door to people forming friendships and romantic connections with people who are geographically very far away.
this leads to physical loneliness. I am partially guilty of this myself. Most of my close friends live very far away from me and I don’t get to see them often as a result. I miss having friends close by that I can just walk down the street to hang out with or go on picnics with. I don’t spend time with people in my local area because I don’t have as much in common with them, nor do I have the energy to form new friendships when I’m off the clock.
the lack of investment in local communities. People don’t want to invest time and effort into their local communities by volunteering for clubs and gatherings. Most people would love to have these clubs where people meet and hang out, but no one want to carry their load to make it work.
this is of course a mix of the aforementioned exhaustion from long work days but it is also due to the individualistic ideology that has gradually replaced the communal ideology that used to be much more prominent back in the day. There is no willingness to sacrifice one’s own comfort for the comfort of the collective. “Screw you, I got mine” is a very in fashion mindset and we all do it to some extent.
institutions. I like institutions as a concept and I think they are important to have, but I also have to admit that the more institutionalized our society has become, the wider the gap has become between us. Someone is mentally ill? Throw them in a clinic. Someone is getting old? Off to the retirement home? Having kids? To kindergarten and daycare they go while mommy and daddy work themselves to the bone. In the olden days the community took care of each other’s sick, elderly and the kids. It wasn’t perfect then either, the tendency to just drop burdens off on institutions has contributed to us distancing ourselves from the familial and community based system that we used to live by for thousands of years.
governments prioritizing economic growth and technological advancement over families. This is just a fact. South Korea is the prime example of what happens when an advanced society systematically prioritizes growth over stability. The encouragements to get educated and get a career and climb the ladder and push push push for excellence utterly destroys and isolates youths from forming important lifelong friendships and romantic relationships. They do not have the time. Also, due to the cost of living crisis which is part of the growth priority, there is close to zero actual investment in giving people the time, breathing room and finances to start a family.
These are just the first few issues that pop into my mind as part of the bigger issue with the loneliness epidemic.
To boil this issue down to “men outside of leftist and feminist circles are just mad they can’t get laid” is so fucking stupid I don’t even have words for it. My point still stands.
It sounds like your position is that the loneliness epidemic affects everyone and that there’s no reason to talk about it being male loneliness. If so, I believe you’re in agreement with the OP and feminist circles: “There is no male loneliness epidemic. It is simply a loneliness epidemic.”
However, if you nose around online, you’ll find that there are MRA-type circles who are very invested in the idea that it is a specifically-male problem. I interpret the OP img-text as being a reaction against that. To continue the New University quote from above: “By arbitrarily gendering a universal loneliness, our fragmented society becomes further fractured, and the discourse surrounding relationships becomes a breeding ground for misogyny.”
I think you’re giving OP too much credit tbh.
That said, it is definitely an issue that affects all of us, not just men. Totally agree there. The fact that some men think it’s exclusively a male issue is of course silly and can be a problem if they end up falling into these Tate-esk parts of the internet, but when it comes to men being lonely, I do take their issues seriously and I’m not so quick to sit and mock them for being in the situation they are in.
I would also be interested in seeing some studies about how loneliness affects both genders and in what way. Maybe there is in fact a higher number of men who suffer from loneliness than women. Maybe it’s the other way around. Maybe it is 50/50. I don’t know because I haven’t looked into it.
But no I don’t agree with the OP because the point OP was making wasn’t that everybody is lonely, it was that men who don’t align with her ideology are lonely because they can’t get laid and I think that is a very reductive way to contribute to this specific conversation. It is people like OP who actually helps push lonely guys into the arms of the manosphere and that is why I react harshly to her behavior.