I could see someone trying to spin black etc. only community as “excluding the oppressors” or saying that people are rightfully threatened and stuff like that. And that it isn’t racist since it targets whites and racism is only when white people do it.
I’ve seen some of that in a more wacky communities but would be pretty bold to try that out irl instead of some online community
you mentioned it would be bold for a Black-only community to try to exist IRL, and that’s accurate - those communities even when just majority Black without exclusion policies have historically been oppressed and met with physical violence… Same with indigenous communities and so on, turns out white settler-colonial culture is intolerant and violent.
ah, didn’t realize you meant “racism” as meaning anti-white. To be honest I do think the relevant aspect of what makes something racist is the direction of the flow of power.
When a marginalized group is persecuted or oppressed by a dominant group, it’s the oppression and power difference that is relevant even more than the narrow sense in which group categories are used to make decisions. This is why affirmative action is not racist, for example.
yes, I’m somewhat reiterating a view you were originally criticizing - though I’m doing that because you pointed it out, not sure a “yes, actually” is really a “called it” moment, but sure - let’s go with that anyway, it’s almost Friday 😄
I could see someone trying to spin black etc. only community as “excluding the oppressors” or saying that people are rightfully threatened and stuff like that. And that it isn’t racist since it targets whites and racism is only when white people do it.
I’ve seen some of that in a more wacky communities but would be pretty bold to try that out irl instead of some online community
angry white people have been attacking communities of color for a long time in this country
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicero_race_riot_of_1951
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre
Right but what does that have to do with what I said
you mentioned it would be bold for a Black-only community to try to exist IRL, and that’s accurate - those communities even when just majority Black without exclusion policies have historically been oppressed and met with physical violence… Same with indigenous communities and so on, turns out white settler-colonial culture is intolerant and violent.
No I mentioned it would be bold to try to excuse the racism with the mentioned stuff
ah, didn’t realize you meant “racism” as meaning anti-white. To be honest I do think the relevant aspect of what makes something racist is the direction of the flow of power.
When a marginalized group is persecuted or oppressed by a dominant group, it’s the oppression and power difference that is relevant even more than the narrow sense in which group categories are used to make decisions. This is why affirmative action is not racist, for example.
Oof, called this in my first comment
yes, I’m somewhat reiterating a view you were originally criticizing - though I’m doing that because you pointed it out, not sure a “yes, actually” is really a “called it” moment, but sure - let’s go with that anyway, it’s almost Friday 😄
Racism is racism, no matter how anyone tries to dress it up.