you have to do one of these two things that i like
Nope. Plenty of other models! Not all coordination needs hierarchy, and the illusion that hierarchy just magically erases the massive labor costs of communication and coordination is fucking delusional.
Just because you can’t see it, or replace your delicate maintenance with thugs who hit things until they stop doing the thing you dont want, because you throw people away when they dont fit your cental and limited by necessity of being so fucking central vision is delusional arrogant and pathologically individualist great-man fetishizing bullshit.
Cutting the community out of communism because you dont trust their assessments is insane. Cutting the hard work of (re)conciliation and coordination and replacing it with 10x the work hours of means testing and violence and the mess that comes with making things function at a low level when the necessarily limited perspective of a central authority imposes impossible or harmful bullshit on you because the bandwidth and trust to observe and administer competently just does not exist is insane.
While the tweet cited is admittedly an unsophisticated and crude understanding/expression, i would say its far closer to correct than your statement. Maybe don’t make onboarding new people to the left any harder than it has to be?
I literally didn’t say anything you’re arguing against, so I’m kind of confused.
I’m unsure you know anything about economies either given how you only scream about hierarchies - sure, some economic systems support hierarchical structures such as capitalist market economy supporting itself and the class society that comes with it.
However, regardless of whether hierarchy exists or not, there will have to be an economic system in place, so we know what to produce and how much of it, else you either overproduce and create a fuck ton of waste or underproduce and have people starve.
Under both communism and anarchism, things would be produced to satisfy needs, rather than for profit that is seen within market economies. There would be no commodity exchange, things being distributed to whoever needs it and during production, you’d have a set amount of goods you need to produce to satisfy those needs AKA planned economies which is something you think is worse than hitler given your response. Of course, there’s also niche anarchist sects that are mutualist/ancom or voluntarist (which are the laughing stock within Anarchists themselves who actually read), but that’s another can of worms and really besides the point.
Whether you have a centralized unit managing the production and distribution of everything or if you have each commune manage their local production and communicating with other communes to get what they can’t produce, it’s still a planned economy - it can be both decentralized and centralized, organized in different ways.
Maybe don’t make onboarding new people to the left any harder than it has to be?
I’m not here to onboard people, but rather educate on topics I know something about.
Nope. Plenty of other models! Not all coordination needs hierarchy, and the illusion that hierarchy just magically erases the massive labor costs of communication and coordination is fucking delusional.
Just because you can’t see it, or replace your delicate maintenance with thugs who hit things until they stop doing the thing you dont want, because you throw people away when they dont fit your cental and limited by necessity of being so fucking central vision is delusional arrogant and pathologically individualist great-man fetishizing bullshit.
Cutting the community out of communism because you dont trust their assessments is insane. Cutting the hard work of (re)conciliation and coordination and replacing it with 10x the work hours of means testing and violence and the mess that comes with making things function at a low level when the necessarily limited perspective of a central authority imposes impossible or harmful bullshit on you because the bandwidth and trust to observe and administer competently just does not exist is insane.
While the tweet cited is admittedly an unsophisticated and crude understanding/expression, i would say its far closer to correct than your statement. Maybe don’t make onboarding new people to the left any harder than it has to be?
This is clearly a case of us having entirely different meanings of words like ‘planned’. At minimum.
I literally didn’t say anything you’re arguing against, so I’m kind of confused.
I’m unsure you know anything about economies either given how you only scream about hierarchies - sure, some economic systems support hierarchical structures such as capitalist market economy supporting itself and the class society that comes with it.
However, regardless of whether hierarchy exists or not, there will have to be an economic system in place, so we know what to produce and how much of it, else you either overproduce and create a fuck ton of waste or underproduce and have people starve.
Under both communism and anarchism, things would be produced to satisfy needs, rather than for profit that is seen within market economies. There would be no commodity exchange, things being distributed to whoever needs it and during production, you’d have a set amount of goods you need to produce to satisfy those needs AKA planned economies which is something you think is worse than hitler given your response. Of course, there’s also niche anarchist sects that are mutualist/ancom or voluntarist (which are the laughing stock within Anarchists themselves who actually read), but that’s another can of worms and really besides the point.
Whether you have a centralized unit managing the production and distribution of everything or if you have each commune manage their local production and communicating with other communes to get what they can’t produce, it’s still a planned economy - it can be both decentralized and centralized, organized in different ways.
I’m not here to onboard people, but rather educate on topics I know something about.