Eliezer’s response is especially stupid given that he has cited his fictional worldbuilding project like it is evidence (we have examples saved over on the reddit sneerclub).
a lot of which also exists on the archives here (although I guess now with that side also existing as frankenstein’s monster there might be some funkiness going on)
Extremely annoying to read something, halfway in discovering it’s fake, then having to go back to re-update backwards on everything I “learned” from it
Re-update backwards
E: I keep thinking of Re-update backwards, how it is silly to have a special term for this (which prob means it has occurred often enough for them to think of one), and that it is silly to have to do this a lot because keeps happening and then not changing your behavior, how weird is your internet media consumption if you just assume everything you read on a blog is true. I would hope the first time people fall for that (I fell for adequacy [dot] org (I checked the actual link and got a red paged ‘this site is dangerous’ warning so not sure if the archive is still up, not used to those red paged warnings so didn’t follow up on it) at the time, in my defense, I’m a fool) they start to be a bit less trustworthy of random stuff they read. But nope, re-update your priors backwards.
I’m a lurker who stumbled in here and read the comments out of fascination for this window into a strange online world.
If I didn’t have a vague clue that this was about lampooning Silicon Valley’s fart-sniffing “philosophers”, I would be pretty certain “Re-update backwards” was clearly language invented by a cult to control their followers and separate them from the rest of the world.
yes, sneerclub exists to ridicule these people (see sub sidebar for some links)
and yep, your takeaway about that language is exactly right. although every single one of them continues to swear at every opportunity that they’re not a cult, even midway through praising their cultlord
Funnily enough it isn’t even required by their purported bayesian doctrine (which proves none of them do the math), you could simply “update forward” again based on the new evidence that the text is part-fictional.
This was a good read. I also read the post/story/essay that got the rats upset and it’s good too.
https://samkriss.substack.com/p/the-law-that-can-be-named-is-not
Yud’s sputtering reaction can be read here among the comments here
https://xcancel.com/captgouda24/status/1946398995556819149
Eliezer’s response is especially stupid given that he has cited his fictional worldbuilding project like it is evidence (we have examples saved over on the reddit sneerclub).
a lot of which also exists on the archives here (although I guess now with that side also existing as frankenstein’s monster there might be some funkiness going on)
Reaction ro Yud:
And reply from what I assume is a lesswronger:
Re-update backwards
E: I keep thinking of Re-update backwards, how it is silly to have a special term for this (which prob means it has occurred often enough for them to think of one), and that it is silly to have to do this a lot because keeps happening and then not changing your behavior, how weird is your internet media consumption if you just assume everything you read on a blog is true. I would hope the first time people fall for that (I fell for adequacy [dot] org (I checked the actual link and got a red paged ‘this site is dangerous’ warning so not sure if the archive is still up, not used to those red paged warnings so didn’t follow up on it) at the time, in my defense, I’m a fool) they start to be a bit less trustworthy of random stuff they read. But nope, re-update your priors backwards.
I’m a lurker who stumbled in here and read the comments out of fascination for this window into a strange online world.
If I didn’t have a vague clue that this was about lampooning Silicon Valley’s fart-sniffing “philosophers”, I would be pretty certain “Re-update backwards” was clearly language invented by a cult to control their followers and separate them from the rest of the world.
yes, sneerclub exists to ridicule these people (see sub sidebar for some links)
and yep, your takeaway about that language is exactly right. although every single one of them continues to swear at every opportunity that they’re not a cult, even midway through praising their cultlord
Funnily enough it isn’t even required by their purported bayesian doctrine (which proves none of them do the math), you could simply “update forward” again based on the new evidence that the text is part-fictional.