Because much of US politics at the moment is wedge issues. The leadership of both parties agree that Israel has the right to exist, but there’s a split there too. Democrats have started calling out Israel’s excesses with settlers in the West Bank, extremist right wing politics, and intentional poisoning of any peace process. Meanwhile, Republicans have allied themselves to extremist right wing authoritarian Israel politicians.
Your government. I don’t care about that. I care about the fact that for a brief period of 4 years American soldiers committed fewer murders around the world.
Trump assassinated an Iranian general, who was largely responsible for the downfall of ISIS. This almost started a war, but for the fact that Iran shot down their own airliner.
You have a source for Trump killing fewer people around the world? Because from what I’ve seen, he killed more. The U.N. says that he killed more people in the middle easy than Obama and ordered more airstrikes.
That’s just objectively wrong, but go ahead with the disinformation.
If we consider the Koran War, the Vietnam War, the Gulf War, the war in Afghanistan and the Iraq War, Trump joins Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford, Richard Nixon, John F. Kennedy and Dwight D. Eisenhower in not having officially brought the United States into a new war since 1945. - Linkhttps://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-modern-us-presidents-new-wa-idUSKBN2A22SN
Fwiw, all he said was that Trump was the first president in his lifetime to not start a new war. If he was born in 2016 or after, this would be correct by default. And judging by the quality of their comment, I wouldn’t put it past them
Unless the person you replied to is almost 70 years old, Eisenhower wasn’t president during their lifetime. They’d have to be over 50 for Nixon to have been, 60 for kennedy, 45 for Ford, 42 for Carter.
Reagan, Clinton, and Obama are probably the only ones applicable from your list, and “starting new wars” can be applied to a few of them in terms of the USA becoming infolved, as others have mentioned.
Obama involved us in Syria and supported the Saudis bombing Yemen.
Clinton got involved in the Balkans.
Reagan funded rebel groups in South America.
Carter… Actually idk anything this far back.
You should listen to Noam Chomsky. He’s very very liberal and has some good criticisms of the US involvement overseas. I don’t agree with everything he says but it’s worth listening to.
Our involvement in Syria was to annihilate ISIS, and was the largest post-WW2 coalition allied against a common enemy. Comsidering that they were about to genocide millions of people amd conquer half the middle east, ill give obama a pass. It would have beat watching LA amd London being actually nuked by terrorists.
“They are trying to prevent any comeback by the Islamic State group, which swept through Iraq and Syria in 2014, taking control of large swaths of territory.”
Yeah it’s actually insane that the dude is accusing someone else of spreading misinformation and he’s covering up Syria and Libya. Lmao and people say this community is unbiased…
He wanted to bomb shithole countries and kill terrorists’families but was too inept to know how to actually get it through congress. Painting him like a dove of peace is a weird way to interpret how shit played out
I don’t care about that. I care about the fact that American soldiers committed fewer murders with Trump as president compared to GWB or Obama as president.
“The other thing with the terrorists is you have to take out their families, when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families. They care about their lives, don’t kid yourself. When they say they don’t care about their lives, you have to take out their families,” Trump said.
The Trump administration’s quiet decision this week to roll back part of an Obama-era transparency rule that mandated reporting of civilian casualties from airstrikes has renewed the stark debate over who dies, and how, in U.S. military action abroad.
—-
Well its pretty convenient to state that your guy didnt kill anyone if he orders the military and government to stop keeping count, now doesn’t it?
Thats like saying you arent broke because you refuse to look at your bank account and see those overdraft notices.
Yeah, that’s totally the only difference between the two parties.
Most “bipartisan bills” is about giving money to Israel.
Because much of US politics at the moment is wedge issues. The leadership of both parties agree that Israel has the right to exist, but there’s a split there too. Democrats have started calling out Israel’s excesses with settlers in the West Bank, extremist right wing politics, and intentional poisoning of any peace process. Meanwhile, Republicans have allied themselves to extremist right wing authoritarian Israel politicians.
The leadership of both parties agrees that the carrot (donor money etc) and the stick (Epstein type blackmail) works on them.
Trump was the first US president in my lifetime that did not start new wars.
First one in my lifetime to attempt to overthrow the government.
Your government. I don’t care about that. I care about the fact that for a brief period of 4 years American soldiers committed fewer murders around the world.
There are less US boots on the ground and less drone strikes under Biden than Trump
Which is good. Less murders is better than more murders.
Just ignoring that time he tried to provoke a war with Iran, huh.
Trump assassinated an Iranian general, who was largely responsible for the downfall of ISIS. This almost started a war, but for the fact that Iran shot down their own airliner.
You have a source for Trump killing fewer people around the world? Because from what I’ve seen, he killed more. The U.N. says that he killed more people in the middle easy than Obama and ordered more airstrikes.
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-09-07/trumps-shameful-rules-of-engagement-are-killing-civilians
Right, someone else drone strike Iran top general
That’s just objectively wrong, but go ahead with the disinformation.
This implies you know how old they are. They could have been born in 2016
Fwiw, all he said was that Trump was the first president in his lifetime to not start a new war. If he was born in 2016 or after, this would be correct by default. And judging by the quality of their comment, I wouldn’t put it past them
Unless the person you replied to is almost 70 years old, Eisenhower wasn’t president during their lifetime. They’d have to be over 50 for Nixon to have been, 60 for kennedy, 45 for Ford, 42 for Carter.
Reagan, Clinton, and Obama are probably the only ones applicable from your list, and “starting new wars” can be applied to a few of them in terms of the USA becoming infolved, as others have mentioned.
Technically Clinton brought us into conflict in Bosnia and Serbia.
Reagan had a bunch of military interventions in Latin America.
Yep, I was just pointing out that the person I replied to was wrong.
Obama involved us in Syria and supported the Saudis bombing Yemen.
Clinton got involved in the Balkans.
Reagan funded rebel groups in South America.
Carter… Actually idk anything this far back.
You should listen to Noam Chomsky. He’s very very liberal and has some good criticisms of the US involvement overseas. I don’t agree with everything he says but it’s worth listening to.
Do you believe the US military had no overseas involvement during the Trump administration?
Of course they did. Why are you even asking?
Our involvement in Syria was to annihilate ISIS, and was the largest post-WW2 coalition allied against a common enemy. Comsidering that they were about to genocide millions of people amd conquer half the middle east, ill give obama a pass. It would have beat watching LA amd London being actually nuked by terrorists.
So why is the US still occupying parts of Syria now when ISIS is long gone?
Good question:
“They are trying to prevent any comeback by the Islamic State group, which swept through Iraq and Syria in 2014, taking control of large swaths of territory.”
Per the AP
https://apnews.com/article/syria-us-troops-drone-attack-6194dca97f594e3609914637463c4ce3
They still have tens of thousands of former ISIS members stuck in jail waiting to get out and try it again.
Obama bombed Libya and Syria.
Stop spreading disinformation
Yeah it’s actually insane that the dude is accusing someone else of spreading misinformation and he’s covering up Syria and Libya. Lmao and people say this community is unbiased…
LOL, gave you a literal link supporting the statement. Facts don’t matter to some people I guess.
Obama bombing Libya and Syria is not a fact?
Read the link.
That’s your takeaway?
This would be like watching all of Breaking Bad and saying Walter White was just trying to earn some cash for his family.
Astounding.
i mean it’s a pretty important detail. Not starting wars is good.
He wanted to bomb shithole countries and kill terrorists’families but was too inept to know how to actually get it through congress. Painting him like a dove of peace is a weird way to interpret how shit played out
Dude… I hate Trump too but you’re blinded by your own emotions.
And…everything else…?
Some wars aren’t started, they’re defended against.
Yeah but he didn’t cure cancer. 👎
I didn’t know he was expected to.
Oh, I thought we were judging him on things he didn’t do.
My b.
every American president before Trump in my lifetime started a war.
We did this already.
That’s only because he didn’t have an opportunity, not because he’s some arbiter of peace.
I mean he certainly tried to start a civil war, he’s just so yuge of a failure at everything he does he bungled it.
I don’t care about that. I care about the fact that American soldiers committed fewer murders with Trump as president compared to GWB or Obama as president.
“The other thing with the terrorists is you have to take out their families, when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families. They care about their lives, don’t kid yourself. When they say they don’t care about their lives, you have to take out their families,” Trump said.
—-
Well its pretty convenient to state that your guy didnt kill anyone if he orders the military and government to stop keeping count, now doesn’t it?
Thats like saying you arent broke because you refuse to look at your bank account and see those overdraft notices.
Biden actually pulled us out of Afghanistan. Trump had 4 years and punted. So -1 war count for Biden vs trump almost starting shit with Iran.
Ya want less war. Bidens your guy. It’s like he had a kid that served
he certainly is the coward’s man in office
better a coward than a murderer
aww that’s cute, the coward’s creed
is it too much to ask that American’s don’t murder anyone?
is that for here or to go, and would you like that as a combo
K.
He literally wanted to bomb Mexico. What planet are you from?
did he though?
o well that is ok I suppose. FFS
He was also the first president to come into office already supporting gay marriage.
likewise I don’t care about America’s internal issues. The part I care about is that he killed fewer people than his predecessors.