• absentbird@lemmy.world
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    17 hours ago

    Russia started the war and they have the power to end it. That’s not ‘warmongering’ it’s the only path to lasting peace. Fuck war, fuck Putin.

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      10 hours ago

      You’re all like those hasbara people who think history starts on oct 7 and nothing happened before.
      Everyone with some interest in it has seen the US support, train and arm those fascist Azov that have terrorised the east and south for 8 YEARS.
      Just bcs they didn’t care to show it in western news doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
      And they broke the Minsk Accords, all of them.
      But Russia started it, riiight.
      Don’t come crying now, they gave you all the chances for peace.
      That’s what happens to US proxies.

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        4 hours ago

        Russia did start it, that’s why the Minsk Accords were a thing to begin with. You’re the one pretending history starts at some politically convenient point.

        Ukraine is a distinct nation with its own culture, language, history and art. They should be free to self govern, not be conquered by a neighbor. There is no justification for Russia’s invasion, it’s a genocide.

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          3 hours ago

          So a 3rd alt account now?
          Clearly that doesn’t help if you keep repeating obvious and factually wrong nonsense.

          Russia did start it, that’s why the Minsk Accords were a thing to begin with

          Besides being totally ignorant on the history you also have a problem with comprehensive reading.
          A typical american.
          Try again, read carefully, use your finger and take it in word by word.: “The Banderites started the war 8 years before Russia entered.”

          It were the coup nazis trying to ethnically cleanse the east and south. They were ukranian ethnic Russians, not Russians.
          And Russia has done everything to limit casualties.
          Not like you barbarians or the shitraelis you are complicit with who cowardly bomb complete cities.
          And again the figures prove it.
          So LOL at your ‘genocide’ crocodile tears drama queen.

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        9 hours ago

        Both sides broke the Minsk Agreement and the whole thing was a ceasefire brokered after Russia INVADED CRIMEA. Yes Russia started it. Now to some people it’s a debate on if they were justified but it was absolutely and without question an aggressive movement of Russia on Ukraine.

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          5 hours ago

          LOL is that your alt account?
          And NO, only the ukros broke it as monitored by the OCSE (which isn’t even neutral)
          Before the intervention it went up to around a 1000 violations per day for the Banderites and about 10 (as usual) for the Donbass and Luhansk people.
          The Banderites were ready to do their final big push to ethnic cleanse them.
          That’s when Russia intervened.

          You clearly also know nothing about Crimea, almost fully ethnic Russian, and only been part of ex-ukraine for a short period. (bcs of the ukro Chruchev).
          In all polls long before the fascist coup people have voted 75+% to be with Russia.
          After the coup OC 95% and more.
          The Banderites even cut off the water (one of their many warcrimes) and nobody wanted to live under that regime that even forbid them to use Russian for official purposes.
          And never in your wildest dreams would Russia give up the Black Sea fleet.
          NATO has gone too far.
          Again, cry all you want, they caused it, have been given plenty opportunity for peace but insisted on being a proxy to die for the US/UK.
          Now they will learn their lesson.