• CandleTiger@programming.dev
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    18 hours ago

    It’s a little late now that there’s camps, sure. If people had refused harder to put up with shitty democrats in the past, like… decades past… then the dems would’ve lost to past republicans who weren’t quite dictators.

    In that alternate past where the dems actually lose for being center-right corporatists, they would’ve had to get some kind of spine or plan or… something… earlier to protect our public news and education from authoratarian misinformation and maybe prevented this bullshit.

    In this current world that we actually have though… I mean you saw we elected Biden, right? And you saw how much good that did – right? We need somebody on our side with some teeth and rolling over for milquetoast donation collectors is not going to get it for us.

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      17 hours ago

      It’s a little late now that there’s camps, sure. If people had refused harder to put up with shitty democrats in the past, like… decades past… then the dems would’ve lost to past republicans who weren’t quite dictators.

      But… we have repeatedly lost to past Republicans who weren’t quite dictators, and it largely moved the Dems right every time it happened??

      In this current world that we actually have though… I mean you saw we elected Biden, right? And you saw how much good that did – right? We need somebody on our side with some teeth and rolling over for milquetoast donation collectors is not going to get it for us.

      Again, electing Biden was harm reduction. Biden was never a cure. Arguably, the Dems themselves will never be a cure for what ails us. But if it comes down to the centrist or the Nazis, man, you gotta go with the centrist. We have a million other ways to address the deeper problems than begging elected officials for scraps; but if elected officials, with the approval of the fucking electorate, decide to start liquidating people, we have only a handful of ways of addressing that - none of them easy or guaranteed of success.

      Elections might not save us, but they can absolutely kill us.