You make an ultimatum, you better be ready for the consequences. You bet that removing support from Israel would get the Dems more votes than it would lose them, net. The Dem campaign disagreed - rightly or wrongly, it’s uncertain, but probably wrongly.
Now, because of that game of chicken you played, Donald Trump is discussing how bigly he’s going to help Israel genocide Gaza and the West Bank, millions are projected to die from the aid cuts already executed, immigrants are being rounded up in concentration camps, and the death penalty is being discussed for LGBT folk.
Why is the blame placed on individuals that would be lucky if they made up more than 1% of the population that makes up the “online leftist”?
Seriously. How is the only opposition party not the one that decided they would “play chicken”? You blame people for playing “chicken” but ignore the actual political party with money and organization that clearly decided to play chicken themselves. Hell, they’re the ones that literally decided to play that game.
Somehow the criticism and blame is placed on unorganized “online leftist”.
It wasn’t the online left. It was the vast majority of normies that thought about their vote for all of 30 seconds and said : “Yeah, I don’t like all the dead babies I keep hearing about. I’ll stay home or vote Trump i guess”
Stop pretending it’s some cringe online leftist. You’re delusional.
It’s because actions speak louder than words, you dolt.
Your actions are “only ever criticize the actual left” and so you are regarded as insincere because WERE ON THE SAME SIDE. But instead you NEED to be morally superior and make sure everyone knows it. It’s the same as the people who didn’t vote for Harris and their constant whinging about how the Dems never listen and theirs was the only MORAL vote. I think that shit was dumb, too, but at least they have principles.
If you just look at your actions, it appears you want to delegitimize the left in favor of the “centrist” dems as though moving right is a viable strategy that has worked for the Dems in the past. Basically, we see a clown.
If you were explaining quantum mechanics you’d probably start with the fundamentals of understanding momentum and position.
It’s funny you make an analogy like that. Because you’re completely ignoring both the position that the Democratic party is in AND the momentum they have in driving discourse.
Do I have to explain it to you?! Do you think the comparison between “online leftist” and the Democratic party is in the same “quantum level”? (Yes I’m stretching the satire here it’s a joke don’t take it too seriously.)
But seriously, it’s not about “guilty parties” it’s about the degree in which they are able to influence the political landscape.
You are critizing the smallest sliver of the nearly non existing left in order to avoid criticism of the only party that had any chance of preventing the rise of fascism we are experiencing now.
And that party did absolutely fuck all to prevent it. So, please. Explain to me you’re “enlightened centrist” take on why the failure of the Democratic party and it’s outright genocide were the fault of the “online left”.
That might be more compelling if the people I fucking vote for in the primary decided to disregard my opinions when they got to the general.
Instead, I have to deal with the fact that I’m an electoral minority whose options in the primary never get to the general because my fellow progressives would sooner sit at home and jerk off during primary season instead of voting, which is why Bernie only garnered 25% of the fucking vote in 2020 to Biden’s 50%, despite Biden being a centrist ghoul. Which means I have to deal with the majority choice of both parties entering into the general, which is “Centrist ghoul vs. Literal Nazi” since 2016.
You act like Biden wasn’t also complicit or selling bombs to Israel. In fact, this started under him and his failure to act is why this was even a dilemma to begin with. So now im supposed to pretend that if we elected a dem he wouldnt have done the same thing biden was already doing. Lol
If I don’t want to genocide people or be a party to war crimes with my tax dollars, is there any substantial difference between parties?
Cool, so you would have supported not a single candidate in the history of the US. I’m sure all the Black folk campaigning for civil rights would have been thrilled.
Glad we agree that all US presidents have supported genocide.
The black community I am part of knows that civil rights was not won at the ballot box but on the streets. Just read Malcolm Xs Message To the Grassroots. He outright tells it like it was and rightly calls out MLK as being nothing more than a figurehead, worried more about fundraising than anything else.
But do go on and tell me more about how the DNC wants my people’s freedom while simulateously locking us up and using us as pawns.
Heres an interesting example if you just want to go one at a time. Did you know the NRA and the democrats actually agreed on gun control in California? But it was only after members of the Black Panthers started open carrying. Interesting huh?
The black community I am part of knows that civil rights was not won at the ballot box but on the streets. Just read Malcolm Xs Message To the Grassroots. He outright tells it like it was and rightly calls out MLK as being nothing more than a figurehead, worried more about fundraising than anything else.
Jesus fucking Christ.
Heres an interesting example if you just want to go one at a time. Did you know the NRA and the democrats actually agreed on gun control in California? But it was only after members of the Black Panthers started open carrying. Interesting huh?
Do you not remember who was governor of Cali at the time.
I guess facts are inconvenient when you have narratives to peddle.
Championed and pushed by a Republican governor. But you keep peddling your incredibly bizarre and repulsive “MLK Jr. was just a figurehead interested in fundraising and did nothing for civil rights” pov. Malcolm X said let us try the ballot, but it seems you would prefer to support Nazis.
You make an ultimatum, you better be ready for the consequences. You bet that removing support from Israel would get the Dems more votes than it would lose them, net. The Dem campaign disagreed - rightly or wrongly, it’s uncertain, but probably wrongly.
Now, because of that game of chicken you played, Donald Trump is discussing how bigly he’s going to help Israel genocide Gaza and the West Bank, millions are projected to die from the aid cuts already executed, immigrants are being rounded up in concentration camps, and the death penalty is being discussed for LGBT folk.
Welcome to the consequences.
Why is the blame placed on individuals that would be lucky if they made up more than 1% of the population that makes up the “online leftist”?
Seriously. How is the only opposition party not the one that decided they would “play chicken”? You blame people for playing “chicken” but ignore the actual political party with money and organization that clearly decided to play chicken themselves. Hell, they’re the ones that literally decided to play that game.
Somehow the criticism and blame is placed on unorganized “online leftist”.
It wasn’t the online left. It was the vast majority of normies that thought about their vote for all of 30 seconds and said : “Yeah, I don’t like all the dead babies I keep hearing about. I’ll stay home or vote Trump i guess”
Stop pretending it’s some cringe online leftist. You’re delusional.
Holy fucking shit, for the millionth time, more than one actor can be guilty at once
Am I discussing quantum physics to you people or something?
It’s because actions speak louder than words, you dolt.
Your actions are “only ever criticize the actual left” and so you are regarded as insincere because WERE ON THE SAME SIDE. But instead you NEED to be morally superior and make sure everyone knows it. It’s the same as the people who didn’t vote for Harris and their constant whinging about how the Dems never listen and theirs was the only MORAL vote. I think that shit was dumb, too, but at least they have principles.
If you just look at your actions, it appears you want to delegitimize the left in favor of the “centrist” dems as though moving right is a viable strategy that has worked for the Dems in the past. Basically, we see a clown.
We probably have our political differences but I’m glad you see the failures of “centrist opposition”. Well said.
Centrism in the political landscape of America is nothing more than a support of a right-wing policy shift.
If you were explaining quantum mechanics you’d probably start with the fundamentals of understanding momentum and position.
It’s funny you make an analogy like that. Because you’re completely ignoring both the position that the Democratic party is in AND the momentum they have in driving discourse.
Do I have to explain it to you?! Do you think the comparison between “online leftist” and the Democratic party is in the same “quantum level”? (Yes I’m stretching the satire here it’s a joke don’t take it too seriously.)
But seriously, it’s not about “guilty parties” it’s about the degree in which they are able to influence the political landscape.
You are critizing the smallest sliver of the nearly non existing left in order to avoid criticism of the only party that had any chance of preventing the rise of fascism we are experiencing now.
And that party did absolutely fuck all to prevent it. So, please. Explain to me you’re “enlightened centrist” take on why the failure of the Democratic party and it’s outright genocide were the fault of the “online left”.
I’d really love that physics lecture.
So what about your own guilt in being a pushover that never needs considering?
That might be more compelling if the people I fucking vote for in the primary decided to disregard my opinions when they got to the general.
Instead, I have to deal with the fact that I’m an electoral minority whose options in the primary never get to the general because my fellow progressives would sooner sit at home and jerk off during primary season instead of voting, which is why Bernie only garnered 25% of the fucking vote in 2020 to Biden’s 50%, despite Biden being a centrist ghoul. Which means I have to deal with the majority choice of both parties entering into the general, which is “Centrist ghoul vs. Literal Nazi” since 2016.
You act like Biden wasn’t also complicit or selling bombs to Israel. In fact, this started under him and his failure to act is why this was even a dilemma to begin with. So now im supposed to pretend that if we elected a dem he wouldnt have done the same thing biden was already doing. Lol
If I don’t want to genocide people or be a party to war crimes with my tax dollars, is there any substantial difference between parties?
You do realize that support of Israel is a scale and not a boolean, right?
If your answer to “do you support genocide?” is anything other than “no”, it’s a deal breaker for me.
The problem is youre willing to start a genocide at home over that
Cool, so you would have supported not a single candidate in the history of the US. I’m sure all the Black folk campaigning for civil rights would have been thrilled.
Glad we agree that all US presidents have supported genocide.
The black community I am part of knows that civil rights was not won at the ballot box but on the streets. Just read Malcolm Xs Message To the Grassroots. He outright tells it like it was and rightly calls out MLK as being nothing more than a figurehead, worried more about fundraising than anything else.
But do go on and tell me more about how the DNC wants my people’s freedom while simulateously locking us up and using us as pawns.
Heres an interesting example if you just want to go one at a time. Did you know the NRA and the democrats actually agreed on gun control in California? But it was only after members of the Black Panthers started open carrying. Interesting huh?
Jesus fucking Christ.
Do you not remember who was governor of Cali at the time.
I guess facts are inconvenient when you have narratives to peddle.
The Mulford Act which i referenced was passed by 34 democrats and 28 republicans.
Championed and pushed by a Republican governor. But you keep peddling your incredibly bizarre and repulsive “MLK Jr. was just a figurehead interested in fundraising and did nothing for civil rights” pov. Malcolm X said let us try the ballot, but it seems you would prefer to support Nazis.