“Ohhhh calm down, they only killed someone!” That’s what you sound like. Would you be ready to be the next victim of a reckless driver? If not, shut the fuck up, apologist
I’m not apologising for shit, I just don’t believe in the fluffing death penalty. I do firmly believe that perpetrators of vehicular manslaughter should never be able to hold a license again as part of their sentence, so that kinda solves your hypothetical.
Edit: Let me remind you that the punishment for first degree murder in Victoria is only 30 years. I’d prefer to err on the side of leniency than end up like the US.
Edit: That has the same energy as “Criminals will keep stealing bread, so let’s send them to a land far, far away from here.” Like, the punishment has to fit the crime.
You’re arguing against something I never said. I’m against the death penalty. I just don’t think taking someone’s licence necessarily solves the problem.
You can say “fuck” here. You don’t need to puss out on that. But, you’re pussing out on actually punishing blatant disregard for human life so I’m not holding my breath for that. If you want to have manslaughterers released to live amongst decent people you better not cry if you get disabled by a reckless driver
I already am disabled, so thank you for that. You have some dark and twisted ideas of crime and punishment. I hope you never end up in a position of power.
I feel people suffer more with life in prison, because I hope most of them will come to a realization of what they did and have to suffer. Too bad there’s no hard labor.
This is how you give governments and corporations an incentive for slavery. The USA has this and, coincidentally, the largest prison population on earth.
Fuck suffering. The system should be focused first on rehabilitation and second on seperating the person from society so they can’t harm others.
The infliction of suffering does nothing to help society at all. It just creates horribly broken people in prisons and encouraging hate outside.
If someone can’t be rehabilitated I see no issue in providing a comfortable isolated environment for them. Hell, give them whatever drugs they want too, who cares, just keep them away from society.
Laws do not exist to punish the guilty, or provide retribution for victims. They are there to create a baseline of acceptable behaviour.
The old adage “the punishment should fit the crime” applies here. The object is to make the criminal remorseful and to understand that violating the law has consequences.
The death penalty does act as a deterrent, (for other people as well), as does Exile (transportation for stealing a load of bread).
A sentence of life in prison does not act as a deterrent, nor does a pittance of a fine.
Having to pay restitution to the victim (lost income due to disability or loss of a breadwinner; pain and suffering) will have an effect for those who can afford it.
Luckily for us, most of society (in Australia, at least) disagrees with you.
The death penalty is barbaric, and has had many, many, many cases of being committed on innocent people in the US.
The justice system isn’t omnipotent, it’s just humans, afterall. Why yes, let’s make the consequence for getting it wrong death, that seems logical /s
This guy is a piece of shit, and in my opinion deserves more than 6 years of prison and a lifetime ban on operating any motor vehicle (or any heavy machinery full stop), but killing him?
This isn’t Gilead, and eye for an eye is not most Australians values.
Part of living in a society is paying taxes, and some of those taxes will go to things you don’t personally like, but society does (corruption, lobbying and inefficient notwithstanding).
And society has decided we’re living in 2025, not the middle ages. We don’t kill people. We aspire to giving people a second chance. In the grand scheme of things, prisons represent a tiny fraction of Australia’s budget.
I’d say it’s totally worth it if it means people’s family members aren’t being killed for doing something illegal.
There are some cases where the person is question is irredeemable, but I see this as the “cost of doing business” so to speak.
It’s the same reason we have innocent until proven guilty, better to let some guilty people walk free than lock up innocent people. And better to let some awful people live, rather than accidentally kill someone who doesn’t deserve it.
There’s a reason most civilised countries don’t have the death penalty anymore.
[Edit: mod removed your comment, which I think is a pity. How am I supposed to debate you?]
I’m hoping you’re not saying this in real life. Probably getting a lotta these 👀 after nuggets of wisdom like that.
You think a piece of shit like that will ever reintegrate? They sent tens of texts while driving
Why are you so sure they’re incapable of being rehabilitated? Humans are just black and white to you?
Are you ready to have one of your family be killed by a texting driver?
I’m sure as hell that the death penalty would do practically nothing to solve road deaths. Considering the US is far worse than us in road deaths, and they have the death penalty. It’s almost like we shouldn’t design our cities around everyone being required to drive :O
This obviously doesn’t absolve this arsehole of blame here. He’s clearly done the wrong thing, and deserves punishment and years (more than he received) in prison. But it’s just not the Australian way to kill criminals. Even for murder.
Anyway. I would strongly suggest you keep your pro-death penalty stance online only (your opinion, while I disagree with you, very strongly, is welcomed here. Online).
This all assumes you live in Australia, or basically anywhere in the developed world other than the US.
I’ll judge you for defending a murdering piece of shit like him, and justly. Be ready to die by someone texting while driving all you want, I’d rather see the death penalty for actions like his. No excuse to be so blatantly negligent
You simply don’t understand why most people in this country are against the death penalty.
I’m not defending his actions whatsoever, even want to see his sentence extended.
If you’d like to actually read my position as to why I, and most of this country (though perhaps not for the same reasons as me) are against the death penalty, you will see you’re being a bit dishonest by saying I’m defending him.
You’ve literally just repeated the same thing twice.
And it looks like you don’t want to actually engage in an honest defence as to why society should have the death penalty.
It’s literally one less mouth to feed and house. Would you be ready to be the next victim of a reckless driver? Maybe you could give them food and shelter, I really hope no tax dollars go to the upkeep of a manslaughterer
Death penalty seems like a fair sentence for a piece of shit like him
Jesus fluffing christ mate, calm down.
“Ohhhh calm down, they only killed someone!” That’s what you sound like. Would you be ready to be the next victim of a reckless driver? If not, shut the fuck up, apologist
I’m not apologising for shit, I just don’t believe in the fluffing death penalty. I do firmly believe that perpetrators of vehicular manslaughter should never be able to hold a license again as part of their sentence, so that kinda solves your hypothetical.
Edit: Let me remind you that the punishment for first degree murder in Victoria is only 30 years. I’d prefer to err on the side of leniency than end up like the US.
Many criminals still drive even without a licence. Taking someone’s licence does not always solve the problem.
AND THE DEATH PENALTY IS THE SOLUTION TO THAT?!
Edit: That has the same energy as “Criminals will keep stealing bread, so let’s send them to a land far, far away from here.” Like, the punishment has to fit the crime.
You’re arguing against something I never said. I’m against the death penalty. I just don’t think taking someone’s licence necessarily solves the problem.
Okay fair, apologies I confused you with the other user.
You can say “fuck” here. You don’t need to puss out on that. But, you’re pussing out on actually punishing blatant disregard for human life so I’m not holding my breath for that. If you want to have manslaughterers released to live amongst decent people you better not cry if you get disabled by a reckless driver
I already am disabled, so thank you for that. You have some dark and twisted ideas of crime and punishment. I hope you never end up in a position of power.
@princessnorah
If you take a look at gurnu’s feed, it’s nothing but nasty crap putting everyone else down. Horrible little shit. Save yourself some angst.
Thanks <3
This person turns out to be really pathetic and creepy:
@princessnorah
Ditto.
[at]gurnu[at]lemmy.world has been on my own ‘blocked’ list for a while.
An oxygen thirf who’s worth nobody’s time…
@PeterLG
I feel people suffer more with life in prison, because I hope most of them will come to a realization of what they did and have to suffer. Too bad there’s no hard labor.
This is how you give governments and corporations an incentive for slavery. The USA has this and, coincidentally, the largest prison population on earth.
Happy cake day!
Fuck suffering. The system should be focused first on rehabilitation and second on seperating the person from society so they can’t harm others.
The infliction of suffering does nothing to help society at all. It just creates horribly broken people in prisons and encouraging hate outside.
If someone can’t be rehabilitated I see no issue in providing a comfortable isolated environment for them. Hell, give them whatever drugs they want too, who cares, just keep them away from society.
Laws do not exist to punish the guilty, or provide retribution for victims. They are there to create a baseline of acceptable behaviour.
The old adage “the punishment should fit the crime” applies here. The object is to make the criminal remorseful and to understand that violating the law has consequences.
The death penalty does act as a deterrent, (for other people as well), as does Exile (transportation for stealing a load of bread). A sentence of life in prison does not act as a deterrent, nor does a pittance of a fine.
Having to pay restitution to the victim (lost income due to disability or loss of a breadwinner; pain and suffering) will have an effect for those who can afford it.
So you’d want to pay for their upkeep. You do that, I’m not giving one cent for pieces of shit that don’t deserve an another chance
Luckily for us, most of society (in Australia, at least) disagrees with you.
The death penalty is barbaric, and has had many, many, many cases of being committed on innocent people in the US.
The justice system isn’t omnipotent, it’s just humans, afterall. Why yes, let’s make the consequence for getting it wrong death, that seems logical /s
This guy is a piece of shit, and in my opinion deserves more than 6 years of prison and a lifetime ban on operating any motor vehicle (or any heavy machinery full stop), but killing him?
This isn’t Gilead, and eye for an eye is not most Australians values.
Part of living in a society is paying taxes, and some of those taxes will go to things you don’t personally like, but society does (corruption, lobbying and inefficient notwithstanding).
And society has decided we’re living in 2025, not the middle ages. We don’t kill people. We aspire to giving people a second chance. In the grand scheme of things, prisons represent a tiny fraction of Australia’s budget.
I’d say it’s totally worth it if it means people’s family members aren’t being killed for doing something illegal.
There are some cases where the person is question is irredeemable, but I see this as the “cost of doing business” so to speak.
It’s the same reason we have innocent until proven guilty, better to let some guilty people walk free than lock up innocent people. And better to let some awful people live, rather than accidentally kill someone who doesn’t deserve it.
There’s a reason most civilised countries don’t have the death penalty anymore.
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[Edit: mod removed your comment, which I think is a pity. How am I supposed to debate you?]
I’m hoping you’re not saying this in real life. Probably getting a lotta these 👀 after nuggets of wisdom like that.
Why are you so sure they’re incapable of being rehabilitated? Humans are just black and white to you?
I’m sure as hell that the death penalty would do practically nothing to solve road deaths. Considering the US is far worse than us in road deaths, and they have the death penalty. It’s almost like we shouldn’t design our cities around everyone being required to drive :O
This obviously doesn’t absolve this arsehole of blame here. He’s clearly done the wrong thing, and deserves punishment and years (more than he received) in prison. But it’s just not the Australian way to kill criminals. Even for murder.
Anyway. I would strongly suggest you keep your pro-death penalty stance online only (your opinion, while I disagree with you, very strongly, is welcomed here. Online).
This all assumes you live in Australia, or basically anywhere in the developed world other than the US.
People will judge you, rightly, in my opinion.
I’ll judge you for defending a murdering piece of shit like him, and justly. Be ready to die by someone texting while driving all you want, I’d rather see the death penalty for actions like his. No excuse to be so blatantly negligent
You simply don’t understand why most people in this country are against the death penalty.
I’m not defending his actions whatsoever, even want to see his sentence extended.
If you’d like to actually read my position as to why I, and most of this country (though perhaps not for the same reasons as me) are against the death penalty, you will see you’re being a bit dishonest by saying I’m defending him.
You’ve literally just repeated the same thing twice.
And it looks like you don’t want to actually engage in an honest defence as to why society should have the death penalty.
Just fyi, if cost is your concern, it costs more to give someone the death penalty than life in gaol.
It’s literally one less mouth to feed and house. Would you be ready to be the next victim of a reckless driver? Maybe you could give them food and shelter, I really hope no tax dollars go to the upkeep of a manslaughterer
nah. Make him ride a toddler’s push scooter. No more license. Only push scooters. Show everyone what a big boy he is