Lol no. There’s a point of derision. You can’t act like something this absurd is a functional reality in their head. At some point we have to say “stop it” and that point was way before it got to using handcarts for diabetes juice.
Edit: and that’s before considering that their poor choices lead to higher insurance rates for people with self control.
Telling an obese person to “stop it” is like telling a depressed person to stop being depressed, it totally ignores the underlying reasons.
I’ve struggled weight wise my entire life, been up and down 50 kilos over a decade, since actually getting an ADHD diagnosis and therapy it’s trending downwards to where I want it to be.
I strongly believe from my own experiences (and others I know) there’s a strong addiction component to obesity, would you describe smokers as having poor self control? There’s a massive mental health (and genetic for that matter) component to obesity that’s frankly overlooked, often can be a trauma response, maladaptive coping mechanism or as I said, addiction.
Have you ever talked to an obese person? My weight is/was a huge source of my self negativity, not a single person I know actually likes being obese, don’t want to be that way, that cycle of self loathing is a spiral and it’s really hard to break that, especially when society sees fit to attribute the entire condition to some sort of moral failing that makes it even harder for people to want to ask for help, let alone receive it.
I’m lucky, I’ve always been pretty active so judicious food logging + exercise works for me (and has in the past), others not so much. GLP-1 Agonists are an absolute godsend for people who really struggle from what I’ve been told (my ADHD meds kill appetite too, totally won’t discount their contribution) they totally kill any food noise, actually helps keep them satiated, and importantly, kills their food stress response. Literally life changing, enabling them to actually get to a place where they can sustain it.
All of this is just the mental health components, there’s other barriers in some places, food deserts are absolutely a thing and lack of walkable neighbourhoods does not help either.
I agree that there is a mental health component there. I have ADHD as well and used to smoke. But I never flung it in the face of society by smoking 3 cigarettes at once in public as a “fuck you”. There’s a limit to that excuse. I know how ADHD works and it doesn’t discount some amount of shame. This? This is shameful. ADHD people aren’t completely unaware, I know it’s hard, but it’s also not a complete excuse to be this obtuse.
Insurance works as a risk pool. If you have an increased number of high cost members in the pool, such as those prone to all the conditions long known to be associated with morbid obesity, it raises the cost outlays for the pool, and thus by association the premiums demanded to cover said costs.
Money in must equal money out plus administrative costs, spend more out, need more in, from everyone, or should we selectively charge the hight cost members more?
You’ve been all over the post making absurd statements of them being CEOs, writing someones’s policy, or that these two specifically where blamed for the US healthcare.
If you have a larger proportion of unhealthy people in a population, particularly with preventable conditions simply by making better choices to live healthier lives, then you inevitably will have more costs to bear as a society, weather that’s in the current fractured insurance world or a single payer system which amounts to one universal insurance pool paid by the public taxes.
To claim otherwise is just as impossible as to say we should make no efforts at preventing and discouraging smoking. Cancer costs money and if someone costs the entity footing the bill $$$ it’s going to come from somewhere.
So that’s either all of us and we all pay for the other’s bad choices, or we collectively look to minimize the pursuit of bad choices, or when selectively burden those making bad choices with the bill for them.
Lol no. There’s a point of derision. You can’t act like something this absurd is a functional reality in their head. At some point we have to say “stop it” and that point was way before it got to using handcarts for diabetes juice.
Edit: and that’s before considering that their poor choices lead to higher insurance rates for people with self control.
Telling an obese person to “stop it” is like telling a depressed person to stop being depressed, it totally ignores the underlying reasons.
I’ve struggled weight wise my entire life, been up and down 50 kilos over a decade, since actually getting an ADHD diagnosis and therapy it’s trending downwards to where I want it to be.
I strongly believe from my own experiences (and others I know) there’s a strong addiction component to obesity, would you describe smokers as having poor self control? There’s a massive mental health (and genetic for that matter) component to obesity that’s frankly overlooked, often can be a trauma response, maladaptive coping mechanism or as I said, addiction.
Have you ever talked to an obese person? My weight is/was a huge source of my self negativity, not a single person I know actually likes being obese, don’t want to be that way, that cycle of self loathing is a spiral and it’s really hard to break that, especially when society sees fit to attribute the entire condition to some sort of moral failing that makes it even harder for people to want to ask for help, let alone receive it.
I’m lucky, I’ve always been pretty active so judicious food logging + exercise works for me (and has in the past), others not so much. GLP-1 Agonists are an absolute godsend for people who really struggle from what I’ve been told (my ADHD meds kill appetite too, totally won’t discount their contribution) they totally kill any food noise, actually helps keep them satiated, and importantly, kills their food stress response. Literally life changing, enabling them to actually get to a place where they can sustain it.
All of this is just the mental health components, there’s other barriers in some places, food deserts are absolutely a thing and lack of walkable neighbourhoods does not help either.
I agree that there is a mental health component there. I have ADHD as well and used to smoke. But I never flung it in the face of society by smoking 3 cigarettes at once in public as a “fuck you”. There’s a limit to that excuse. I know how ADHD works and it doesn’t discount some amount of shame. This? This is shameful. ADHD people aren’t completely unaware, I know it’s hard, but it’s also not a complete excuse to be this obtuse.
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Insurance works as a risk pool. If you have an increased number of high cost members in the pool, such as those prone to all the conditions long known to be associated with morbid obesity, it raises the cost outlays for the pool, and thus by association the premiums demanded to cover said costs.
Money in must equal money out plus administrative costs, spend more out, need more in, from everyone, or should we selectively charge the hight cost members more?
Of course not, that would be fatphobic. /s
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Bad troll, be less obvious
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You’ve been all over the post making absurd statements of them being CEOs, writing someones’s policy, or that these two specifically where blamed for the US healthcare.
If you have a larger proportion of unhealthy people in a population, particularly with preventable conditions simply by making better choices to live healthier lives, then you inevitably will have more costs to bear as a society, weather that’s in the current fractured insurance world or a single payer system which amounts to one universal insurance pool paid by the public taxes.
To claim otherwise is just as impossible as to say we should make no efforts at preventing and discouraging smoking. Cancer costs money and if someone costs the entity footing the bill $$$ it’s going to come from somewhere.
So that’s either all of us and we all pay for the other’s bad choices, or we collectively look to minimize the pursuit of bad choices, or when selectively burden those making bad choices with the bill for them.
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And I’m speaking of math that’s not going to change because of your being upset about it.