Your information is false and that’s why you think I’m lying. Show me 1 time that the Democrats held Congress and the Senate since 2009. If you win Congress and lose in the Senate it goes no where. I think you are completely failing at understanding how our government works or are as you said. A bad actor.
So you believe the republicans hold monopoly control of obstructist strategies? What prevents the Democrats from doing it? Why are Democrats continuing to approve Trump nominees? Why are any Democrats voting to fund Trump’s agenda? Why did democrats just release a thank you to ICE, as they build concentration camps?
No, I’m not saying they hold the monopoly on obstruction. Every Republican bitched for 4 years during Trump’s first term that Democrats blocked everything. (He didn’t have the Senate and Congress Majority from 2017-2021)
Democrats shouldn’t have approved trump nominees, but even if they voted against they would have been approved by the majority of Republican votes. The one notable flop that Democrats won was Matt Gaetz not getting in.
Also this thread was about Tarrifs, but like I said there are many really shitty Democrats politicians out there, it doesn’t mean they can block anything without getting Republicans to turn their votes against the party
Would you like to get into how many times the Republicans have been able to rely on token Dems to cross the aisle to help pass their agenda? We can then break down whether those turncoats were primaries or protected by the party.
If the republicans can pass it without the Dems, that makes their betrayal a worse example. Not better. Wild you think that’s a defense.
Can you give an example of one where enough Republicans voted against that it would have failed? If that didn’t happen yes it is a betrayal to their party, but it doesn’t mean they could have blocked it. (which is what people are asking them to do in this thread)
(edit to throw in) also It feels like a betrayal to us because we are further left than the Democrats, but the Democrats have a lot of overlapping views with Republicans, which if your voter base has 60% support and 40% against (things like Israel, it sucks but that politician is supposed to vote for Israel)
Israel sucked so bad because the truth is that the majority of the Democrats supported Israel when the war started, and by thr time 50%+ didn’t, it was far to late
Wanna go back over the last 30+ years of Democrats helping Republicans pass their evil shit? I’m down. I’d also love to throw in how many of these turncoats the party protected from primaries, while the party actively primaried their progressives.
There’s no “us” here. You’re a liberal. I’m a leftist. Don’t go convincing yourself you’re not on the right.
There was already a significant enough faction of republicans opposing that it required democrats to pass each of these, which was what you asked for and what you got. And now, as expected, you’ve got plenty of excuses.
Everyone mark this astroturf bot in your apps. We got another liberal here pretending to be a pragmatic leftist with a DNC dick in their mouth.
Nope, I looked up the vote numbers by party. Both federal bills outside of the crypto required no Democrats support. It’s just reported that way in those articles because they want to point out that their are shit Democrats.
The North Carolina budget I know nothing about, what they spend money on in their state really has nothing to do with the federal governments agenda.
Your information is false and that’s why you think I’m lying. Show me 1 time that the Democrats held Congress and the Senate since 2009. If you win Congress and lose in the Senate it goes no where. I think you are completely failing at understanding how our government works or are as you said. A bad actor.
So you believe the republicans hold monopoly control of obstructist strategies? What prevents the Democrats from doing it? Why are Democrats continuing to approve Trump nominees? Why are any Democrats voting to fund Trump’s agenda? Why did democrats just release a thank you to ICE, as they build concentration camps?
No, I’m not saying they hold the monopoly on obstruction. Every Republican bitched for 4 years during Trump’s first term that Democrats blocked everything. (He didn’t have the Senate and Congress Majority from 2017-2021)
Democrats shouldn’t have approved trump nominees, but even if they voted against they would have been approved by the majority of Republican votes. The one notable flop that Democrats won was Matt Gaetz not getting in.
Also this thread was about Tarrifs, but like I said there are many really shitty Democrats politicians out there, it doesn’t mean they can block anything without getting Republicans to turn their votes against the party
Would you like to get into how many times the Republicans have been able to rely on token Dems to cross the aisle to help pass their agenda? We can then break down whether those turncoats were primaries or protected by the party.
If the republicans can pass it without the Dems, that makes their betrayal a worse example. Not better. Wild you think that’s a defense.
Can you give an example of one where enough Republicans voted against that it would have failed? If that didn’t happen yes it is a betrayal to their party, but it doesn’t mean they could have blocked it. (which is what people are asking them to do in this thread)
(edit to throw in) also It feels like a betrayal to us because we are further left than the Democrats, but the Democrats have a lot of overlapping views with Republicans, which if your voter base has 60% support and 40% against (things like Israel, it sucks but that politician is supposed to vote for Israel)
Israel sucked so bad because the truth is that the majority of the Democrats supported Israel when the war started, and by thr time 50%+ didn’t, it was far to late
Wanna go back over the last 30+ years of Democrats helping Republicans pass their evil shit? I’m down. I’d also love to throw in how many of these turncoats the party protected from primaries, while the party actively primaried their progressives.
There’s no “us” here. You’re a liberal. I’m a leftist. Don’t go convincing yourself you’re not on the right.
https://rollcall.com/2025/01/20/democrats-senate-laken-riley-act/
https://www.yahoo.com/news/democrats-cross-aisle-back-gop-035900823.html
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/18/crypto-stablecoins-senate
https://www.them.us/story/81-democrats-joined-republicans-passing-defense-bill-ndaa-anti-trans
You have no idea what I believe in, you just don’t like that I pointed out that the Democrats can’t block any of this without Republican support.
How many more links would you like to prove you wrong? What’s the number? Set the goalpost, and I’ll reach it.
https://lemmy.world/comment/18235309
Also for your breakdown:
Lake Riley act Democrats couldn’t have blocked
The North Carolina budget (not federal) has a Republican Senate and Congress as well, can’t verify what the party line votes even were
crypto bill: Democrats helped pass bill to put “guardrails” on crypto currencys.
Gender affirming care, Democrats couldnt have blocked
So what we see from your examples is that Democrats are worried about Crypto as much as Republicans are.
There was already a significant enough faction of republicans opposing that it required democrats to pass each of these, which was what you asked for and what you got. And now, as expected, you’ve got plenty of excuses.
Everyone mark this astroturf bot in your apps. We got another liberal here pretending to be a pragmatic leftist with a DNC dick in their mouth.
Nope, I looked up the vote numbers by party. Both federal bills outside of the crypto required no Democrats support. It’s just reported that way in those articles because they want to point out that their are shit Democrats.
The North Carolina budget I know nothing about, what they spend money on in their state really has nothing to do with the federal governments agenda.