• acockworkorange@mander.xyz
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    I still haven’t wrapped my head around this one. Wasn’t birthright enshrined in the constitution? How can it be dismantled?

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      So is the separation of church and state.
      And the right against unreasonable search and seizures.

      But it turns out writing it down doesn’t make it so. It’s not a fundamental law of the universe. It has to actually be upheld and defended for it to do anything. Until the American people do something they’ll just keep walking all over it.

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        The difference is that citizenship is about papers. It’s a law about law. So how are they circumventing it to pull citizenship from people? Operationally, how is it done.

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          If you show the person at the border your paper, and they still won’t let you in, it doesn’t matter that you have the paper. It is just that simple. It’s illegal, but when the people who are supposed to be enforcing the laws are the ones breaking them, there isn’t any real recourse short of a popular uprising.

    • Tuxman@sh.itjust.works
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      Because they do what ever they want… it takes years to appeal a single case so they are just steamrolling hundreds and hundreds….

      (And the Supreme Court simply takes a red pen to change whatever they want… )

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        Again, how? You can’t take someone’s citizenship away if not through court, right? What excuses are judges using to do that?

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          That’s the neat part… ICE doesn’t even have to go through a judge to deport someone. They can just kinda do it… and it’s been an issue for YEARS. Only now they were allowed to go into overdrive, completely unchecked.

          https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/blog/ice-deport-us-citizens/

          So they don’t have to strip citizenship, they just send people to other countries and move on with their day. Then the courts are so swamped with appeals that it’s likely most will just give up and make a new life in the other country.

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      They have some nutty interpretation that when the amendment was written the writers didn’t mean for it to apply to everyone. Basically it’s something like the children of noncitizens owe allegiance to the country of their parents, so they don’t count. The bit they’re trying to use is what prevents e.g. children of diplomats from gaining citizenship.