With archinstall now being a thing, the only downside to using Arch is the fact that people like OP will call you an elitist because they heard those jokes back in 2015 lol
Came here to say this. Archinstall is great. Arch is my favorite distro by far. It just works, ia minimal, and has all the software you could ever need.
I’ll be honest, at this point my main reason for using Arch is prety much just habit, but I will say that whenever I hop on another distro for some reason (usual in a docker container) - I always find myself annoyed at the lack of the AUR - though I understand that distros like NixOS also have comparable solutions.
But between the install script, the AUR and the Arch Wiki, it’s actually an absurdly user friendly distro these days - it’s odd that it still has the reputation as being some thing that only try-hards would use
I would argue a ready to go gui installer is much better for causal users and especially for owners of Nvidia cards it will just work. I used to use AntergOs when that died I tried manjaro, but manjaro is ass and broke my system.
EndeavorOs is my choice now, just an easy install in a few minutes and you are ready to go, I’d argue it’s even more noob friendly than something like Ubuntu. no need for ppa and shit just use yay and get that spotify, discord, TeamViewer whatever going.
It’s not “ready-to-go”, but the AUR does absolutely have GUI installers (Example) - the fact that it’s not pre-installed is by design, afterall if Arch came with a bunch of pre-installed optional tools, then it wouldn’t have most of the benefits (lightweight and minimal by default) that makes Arch worth choosing over other distros. I agree that having it pre-installed would make it more user-friendly, and I definetely wouldn’t argue that it’s the most user friendly distro out there by a mile. My point was simply that it’s now
A) Easy to install
B) Easy to find pretty much any package under the sun, in an easy to search and install medium
C) Easy to find a solution to whatever problem you might be facing, or to find comprehensive instructions on the wiki of how to perform any operation.
Side note
especially for owners of Nvidia cards it will just work
I’m not really sure what you mean by this, I have an nvidia card, and set up my system with proprietary drivers with absolutely no fuss. I know Arch used to have issues with nvidia cards, but I’m not aware of any ongoing problems.
And yeah I’ve got nothing against Arch-Forks, I think they’re great for anyone who just wants something out of the box. I used Manjaro for years (but like you, left after one too many issues)
Nvidia was about the reported difficulties some people have with getting the drivers installed on some distros (not arch)
then it wouldn’t have most of the benefits (lightweight and minimal by default) that makes Arch worth choosing over other distros.
I respectfully disagree with this, I’d say the main reasons to choose Arch(-derivatives) over others is the great Wiki, AUR and the rolling updates (which I’d argue make it better for gaming than something like Linux Mint)
My point, that was admittedly poorly made is that OP is arguing that something like Ubuntu will just work and be 90% as good as Arch.
well something like EndeavorOs will just work and be 99% as good as Arch, because it’s basically just Arch with some very sensible defaults installed. meaning OPs meme is even more stupid than he realizes.
I feel like archinstall is more of a compromise than a solution for new users. Something that’s more user friendly would be one with a Gui installer like the old Archlinux GUI (that the arch team tried to get rid of), preferably though a netinstall so it’ll get the latest version (Arch is a rolling distro after all) and won’t end up going out of date quickly like the Archlinux GUI Isos did.
With archinstall now being a thing, the only downside to using Arch is the fact that people like OP will call you an elitist because they heard those jokes back in 2015 lol
Came here to say this. Archinstall is great. Arch is my favorite distro by far. It just works, ia minimal, and has all the software you could ever need.
I’ll be honest, at this point my main reason for using Arch is prety much just habit, but I will say that whenever I hop on another distro for some reason (usual in a docker container) - I always find myself annoyed at the lack of the AUR - though I understand that distros like NixOS also have comparable solutions.
But between the install script, the AUR and the Arch Wiki, it’s actually an absurdly user friendly distro these days - it’s odd that it still has the reputation as being some thing that only try-hards would use
It got its reputation probably because it’s a very minimalist distro by default, and you can configure everything.
It’s perfect once you set it up to your liking, but it does give you a proverbial gun you can shoot your foot with.
I would argue a ready to go gui installer is much better for causal users and especially for owners of Nvidia cards it will just work. I used to use AntergOs when that died I tried manjaro, but manjaro is ass and broke my system.
EndeavorOs is my choice now, just an easy install in a few minutes and you are ready to go, I’d argue it’s even more noob friendly than something like Ubuntu. no need for ppa and shit just use yay and get that spotify, discord, TeamViewer whatever going.
https://endeavouros.com/
It’s not “ready-to-go”, but the AUR does absolutely have GUI installers (Example) - the fact that it’s not pre-installed is by design, afterall if Arch came with a bunch of pre-installed optional tools, then it wouldn’t have most of the benefits (lightweight and minimal by default) that makes Arch worth choosing over other distros. I agree that having it pre-installed would make it more user-friendly, and I definetely wouldn’t argue that it’s the most user friendly distro out there by a mile. My point was simply that it’s now
A) Easy to install
B) Easy to find pretty much any package under the sun, in an easy to search and install medium
C) Easy to find a solution to whatever problem you might be facing, or to find comprehensive instructions on the wiki of how to perform any operation.
Side note
I’m not really sure what you mean by this, I have an nvidia card, and set up my system with proprietary drivers with absolutely no fuss. I know Arch used to have issues with nvidia cards, but I’m not aware of any ongoing problems.
And yeah I’ve got nothing against Arch-Forks, I think they’re great for anyone who just wants something out of the box. I used Manjaro for years (but like you, left after one too many issues)
Nvidia was about the reported difficulties some people have with getting the drivers installed on some distros (not arch)
I respectfully disagree with this, I’d say the main reasons to choose Arch(-derivatives) over others is the great Wiki, AUR and the rolling updates (which I’d argue make it better for gaming than something like Linux Mint)
My point, that was admittedly poorly made is that OP is arguing that something like Ubuntu will just work and be 90% as good as Arch.
well something like EndeavorOs will just work and be 99% as good as Arch, because it’s basically just Arch with some very sensible defaults installed. meaning OPs meme is even more stupid than he realizes.
Gotta agree with this. The only elitism I see these days is in the people making these types of posts.
I feel like archinstall is more of a compromise than a solution for new users. Something that’s more user friendly would be one with a Gui installer like the old Archlinux GUI (that the arch team tried to get rid of), preferably though a netinstall so it’ll get the latest version (Arch is a rolling distro after all) and won’t end up going out of date quickly like the Archlinux GUI Isos did.