The liberal establishment's war on the New York City mayoral candidate reflects panic over a growing left challenge to Zionist orthodoxy and the mainstreaming of Palestine solidarity

The liberal establishment’s war on the New York City mayoral candidate reflects panic over a growing left challenge to Zionist orthodoxy and the mainstreaming of Palestine solidarity

  • Eldritch@piefed.worldEnglish
    19·
    3 days ago

    I believe they are using it in the sense of economic liberalism. What today we just call capitalism. Encompassing Republicans, national Democratic leadership, and those that larp as anarchist or libertarian while being capitalist.

      • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
        41·
        2 days ago

        libertarians are republicans who got tired of being taken seriously.

        A libertarian is a man who can throw a dart at a map and tell you the age of consent where it lands. His eyes light up if it lands in international waters.

      • Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        57·
        3 days ago

        Uh no. There’s such a thing as left libertarians. People who recognize that the government can never be of the people from the people, therefore the governments power should be limited as much as possible. Before you say that’s anarchism, anarchists are imo a different breed because of their “end game”, though I might convert to anarchism once one of them comes up with a description of what a classless stateless society looks like and how it will be different than what chimps have right now.

          • Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            41·
            3 days ago

            If you could back that up with an actual argument, we can cook something.

            I for one don’t really care where on the spectrum I’m perceived to be, generally I think I’m dead center simply because I like to look at what nets the greatest benefit instead of asking myself whether the policy aligns better with right or left wing discourse. I happen to believe that the government having the least amount of power needed to fulfill their role is a good thing and that curbing the vices of capitalism is also a good thing. So left libertarian is the best label for me.

            • SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.worldEnglish
              44·
              3 days ago

              I’ve made my argument already but tell me how a libertarian curbs the vices of capitalism because that’s the hypocrisy I’m talking about right there.

              • Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                43·
                3 days ago

                The problem is lumping all libertarians together as if they are all the same thing. Are all socialists the same thing? Should I lump tankies with social democrats?

                Libertarianism is simply being aware that the government will exploit their authority over the individual, so it is best that it has as little capacity to do so as possible. That says nothing about the economical system in which a state operates. Although in my idea, yes it is still capitalistic (though with greater worker ownership, social nets and some wealth redistribution) because imo capitalism is not inherently bad, it’s a tool and we can wield it to our benefit. For proof look how easily it adapts to all conditions: it works when there’s totalitarianism, in democracies, in monarchies and even in anarchy and in collapsed states.

                But one can argue for curbing state power over the individual while at the same time advocating for the interest of the individual (which so often are the interest of the collective ) above corporate interests. You’ll find few sane libertarians who think we should let corporations dump toxic waste everywhere, just to give an example.