• PugJesus@lemmy.worldOP
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    14 hours ago

    This is the innate issue with creating an ethno-state, it makes it difficult to delineate grievances between ethnicity and state. I don’t know what the solution is, but I find it understandable that some people would agree with expulsion.

    Is it really ethnic cleansing when the ethno-state they built continues to genocide their neighbors with the approval of the vast majority of its citizens?

    By that logic that birth in Israel gives the right to stay there, this would in turn mean that this birth revokes the right to compensation for the ancestors that were murdered in the Holocaust or survived it and chose not to go back to Germany.

    I don’t think anyone should have to be kicked out of the place they were born. How do you feel about german babies born in poland during ww2? Or YTs holding all the land in south africa?

    If you read the first comment I made I said it wasn’t my belief but I understand why Palestinians would want Israelis to migrate back to Europe… However, I recognize that it’s not my people who are suffering from apartheid and genocide, and that those people have their own autonomy and will seek their own retribution.

    Israelis chanting death to entire ethnicities but nooooo we can’t say anything that might hurt their poor lil feelings. Bunch of bollocks.

    Should European-Americans all “just relocate” since we occupied North America from the Native Americans?

    Otherwise I don’t see how you’re any different than the Israelites.

    Well one happened in living memory and people are still living in the houses of displaced people in Palestine.

    Zionism is similarly a genocidal fascist ideology. If these colonizers can’t handle freedom, democracy, equality, etc., then they should definitely return to their actual homes.

    Idk, any Israeli citizen currently living there (that wasn’t born there) is a first generation colonizer, surely it’s not anti-semetic to call for that specific subgroup’s relocation, no?

    The “GO BACK TO EUROPE, THE LAND OF YOUR ANCESTORS”, “Israelis are committing ethnic cleansing by their existence”, and “Genocide is Okay, Actually, if it’s in response to another genocide” are widespread in this very fucking thread.

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      11 hours ago

      You realize that you put the comments in your own post right? So we can read them, then read your summarization of them, and realize how stupid you are.

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            11 hours ago

            If I said “It’s not my belief, but I understand why Israelis think all Palestinians should be killed or expelled. Israelis have their own autonomy, and deserve to make their own decisions on the matter”, would you:

            A. Call it genocidal

            B. Call it genocide apologism

            C. Call it asspatting genocidal sentiment

            D. Think it’s a completely normal and wholesome sentiment to express

            ?

            If your answer is anything except D, take a fucking step back and ask yourself why you find genocide support okay for Bad Ethnicity™ but not for Good Ethnicity™.

            If your answer is D, go home and rethink your whole fucking life.

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                11 hours ago

                “We don’t want them killed, we’re just going to kill them if they don’t leave, it’s totally not genocide” is literally why the term ethnic cleansing came about and why it’s regarded as genocidal, for fuck’s sake.

                Any other “We just really want them to leave” genocides you’d like to bootlick for? Maybe the Armenian genocide, or the genocides during the Yugoslav Wars? Or maybe the early stages of the Nazi genocide, when expelling the Jews was the main plan? Hell, maybe you’d like to swap sides on the ongoing Palestinian genocide? After all, the Israelis ‘only’ want the Palestinians out of Palestine!

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                    11 hours ago

                    “We didn’t call it genocide, so it’s not”

                    Literal Nazi shit. Literal Zionist shit too, for that matter. We’re done here.