• lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com
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    They are not being charged because they protested, they’re being charged for breaking in and damaging a lot of military equipment. I think it’s a bit far to call them terrorists, but you can sort of see the government’s point, if you squint.

    Out of curiosity, I looked up the US Federal definition of terrorism

    definition
    1. the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that-
      1. involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
      2. appear to be intended-
        1. to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
        2. to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
        3. to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
      3. occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States

    Due to the element danger to human life, their definition wouldn’t fit.

    However, the UK legal definition

    definition
    1. In this Act “terrorism” means the use or threat of action where—
      1. the action falls within subsection (2),
      2. the use or threat is designed to influence the government [or an international governmental organisation][1] or to intimidate the public or a section of the public, and
      3. the use or threat is made for the purpose of advancing a political, religious [, racial][2] or ideological cause.
    2. Action falls within this subsection if it—
      1. involves serious violence against a person,
      2. involves serious damage to property,
      3. endangers a person’s life, other than that of the person committing the action,
      4. creates a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or a section of the public, or
      5. is designed seriously to interfere with or seriously to disrupt an electronic system.
    3. The use or threat of action falling within subsection (2) which involves the use of firearms or explosives is terrorism whether or not subsection (1)(2) is satisfied.
    4. In this section—
      1. “action” includes action outside the United Kingdom,
      2. a reference to any person or to property is a reference to any person, or to property, wherever situated,
      3. a reference to the public includes a reference to the public of a country other than the United Kingdom, and
      4. “the government” means the government of the United Kingdom, of a Part of the United Kingdom or of a country other than the United Kingdom.
    5. In this Act a reference to action taken for the purposes of terrorism includes a reference to action taken for the benefit of a proscribed organisation.

    is wild: no danger to human life required, merely serious damage to property suffices!


    1. Words in s. 1(1)(2) inserted (13.4.2006) by Terrorism Act 2006 (c. 11), s. 34; S.I. 2006/1013, art. 2 ↩︎

    2. Words in s. 1(1)(3) inserted (16.2.2009) by Counter-Terrorism Act 2008 (c. 28), ss. 75(1)(2)(a), 100(5) (with s. 101(2)); S.I. 2009/58, art. 2(a) ↩︎

    • Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works
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      The UK definition isn’t that wild - the ‘ra used to plant bombs and then phone it in. There’s still terror seeing a building explode - knowing the only reason there aren’t casualties is because the bombers, this time, called it in with 15 minutes on the fuse.

      • lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com
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        Acts dangerous to human life don’t require actual casualties: if people need to leave to avoid death or injury, then that’s an act dangerous to human life.

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      In this Act “terrorism” means the use or threat of action where—

      the action falls within subsection (2), the use or threat is designed to influence the government [or an international governmental organisation][1] or to intimidate the public or a section of the public

      Wow, so the very act of peaceful protest is now defined as ‘terrorism’ because the below can be very loosely interpreted in whatever way necessary:

      creates a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or a section of the public

      • lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com
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        creates a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or a section of the public

        I don’t know: it’s possible. If legal definitions & case law (which I don’t know enough about) don’t settle their meaning, then they could mean anything. A lawyer could clarify.