To some morons on Lemmy, these people are actually just doing what democrats want to do. Despite the fact that we’ll have at least 8 years of Democrats trying to undo this shit, it inevitably won’t be good enough and that will be their proof. “See, Democrats are the same” these smug fucking morons will say. And someday I may punch their thoughtless faces for it.
Should have begun charging Trump immediately after Biden took office, instead of taking over 2 years to even get started. Voting rights act on day 1? Not a priority. Could have done things for the working class promised during campaign season, instead got stopped by the almighty senate parliamentarian…even while in power just nothing the poor Dems could do, except collect donations from rube voters of course. Could have held a primary election for ‘24 in good faith to energize the base by letting them choose their party leader (inevitably would not have been a corporate stooge) - didn’t, tried to run a known advanced dementia sufferer, and when that didn’t work, just anointed another corporate stooge.
The Dems are complicit, and voting for them is not going to combat this fascist regime one bit. Pull your head out of your ass and wake up.
The Dems are also fascists. I’m not saying support republicans, I’m saying support a new party altogether. The establishment has been screwing us for over 50 years now, and helping the Dems inevitably leads to more of the same.
First paragraph – totally with you. Onboard 100%, A+
Last sentence, unhelpful, leads to republicans taking office and skullfucking the shit out of this country. I don’t make that informal rules, I’ve just seen them play out repeatedly.
These discussions always assume the elections are fair, which in many states is not true.
Perhaps instead of bickering about unimportant stuff ( at least to me they are not important), everyone griping should at least check to make sure their local elections at least meet United Nations specifications? Maybe they do, but depending where you are at, probably not.
I will never ever understand political discussions done by the majority of Americans.
Political discussions between strangers probably never will be productive. I am just frustrated and fed up with the stupid ideas I see floating around. People who don’t understand the country’s politics are influencing it with this “both sides” bullshit and it’s ruined our country because now the worst imaginable humans rule over us. Before it was a mix of people between true human garbage and genuinely well meaning people. It is idiotic to suggest everyone is fully on one side or the other, but that’s what these idiots are peddling. And it’s working unfortunately.
Eh, it’s been a long journey for me. Years ago I was active in the Democratic Party in Texas, later I was a keyboard warrior who wrote millions of words, none of which did any good.
Now I just want fair elections; again writing words, now in a very small community, that also does no good.
But I’m done with the partisan stuff, and think both sides are equally out of their minds.
Democracies need accurate ballot counting, most states fail this. The primaries in both parties and the general elections have been tampered with for decades in many states. This has totally changed the character and leadership of both parties over the decades.
This is not a falsifiable argument because the only way to prove the above is wrong is to not use the election machines run by private organizations. While at the same time exit polls and stats hint of extreme ballot stuffing by these very companies. It’s not rocket science.
But, most commentators and social media participants in USA politics don’t care or want to know.
The ballot manipulation will allow democrats to win the midterms by a landslide, and most likely have the presidency again in 2028, and people who want paper ballots will be rendered mute again by most. Then next cycle the republicans will win again!
It’s a very long game, with each iteration moving more wealth away from the majority. And the only way to fix it is with paper ballots counted in front of witnesses and unlimited recounts allowed. Even then, it will take a long time to fix
Agreed we need much better voting protections and a complete overhaul of the system, with national standards the states should be required to meet. I think there is probably a more modern solution available that would satisfy the requirements you’ve laid out, but would be happy to start with paper ballots if that’s all we can muster. Eventually I’d like to see something like a 1 way hash that can be combined with some of a voter’s PII to publicly verify votes cast and results while protecting voter identities.
Most democracies use hand counted paper ballots. It works, and it’s fast enough, no need to improve it.
I don’t understand the American need to tinker with a good system.
That said, there is no way the majority of USA states will switch over to better counting systems. Some areas of the world will never be able to be truly democratic. The Americans have some weird system that works for their upper class, and the lower classes fully believe in it. This will not change in my lifetime
It sounds like you were politically active in TX around the same time I was, during GW era, based on prior comment. But this reads as if you are an expat now. Did you leave?
One of the reasons I think paper can be problematic is actually part of the same debacle that got W elected - the hanging chads in FL. After numerous recounts, it was in fact confirmed that Gore won, but by then fucking Fox News had declared the winner and the corrupt SCOTUS went along with it.
I’d just like to remind you that we’ve voted Dems into a super majority 3 times in the past 25 years, and every time they find some excuse to do nothing. It’s infuriating, until you realize that they are controlled opposition in an oligarchy, and the point of modern American government is to help the richest people in the world exploit and rob vulnerable Americans for everything they’re worth. Then it’s just sad to see people continually going to bat for them.
Dems are a pressure relief valve and a fundraising organization, nothing more.
About 10 minutes ago a bunch of you started this conspiracy theory and to say the least: not buying it. Coming up with convoluted ways of explaining reality is just a distraction from the fact that it’s complicated and hard to understand
What conspiracy theory? Dems are bought, for just one example look at how they lick Israel’s boots and eagerly spend our money on killing Palestinian babies because their AIPAC handler pays them to do so. That doesn’t help us at home, and it doesn’t resonate with the voter base, yet they still collect the money and do the donor bidding every time.
I want actual representation, by stark contrast.
There is no conspiracy here other than the apparent belief that Democrats have democracy and the American people’s best interests in mind. Sure, there’s Bernie, but he won’t call himself a Dem - the reason why is no conspiracy, and that should tell you a lot about the Dem party.
To some morons on Lemmy, these people are actually just doing what democrats want to do. Despite the fact that we’ll have at least 8 years of Democrats trying to undo this shit, it inevitably won’t be good enough and that will be their proof. “See, Democrats are the same” these smug fucking morons will say. And someday I may punch their thoughtless faces for it.
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Should have begun charging Trump immediately after Biden took office, instead of taking over 2 years to even get started. Voting rights act on day 1? Not a priority. Could have done things for the working class promised during campaign season, instead got stopped by the almighty senate parliamentarian…even while in power just nothing the poor Dems could do, except collect donations from rube voters of course. Could have held a primary election for ‘24 in good faith to energize the base by letting them choose their party leader (inevitably would not have been a corporate stooge) - didn’t, tried to run a known advanced dementia sufferer, and when that didn’t work, just anointed another corporate stooge.
The Dems are complicit, and voting for them is not going to combat this fascist regime one bit. Pull your head out of your ass and wake up.
“I would rather actively help the fascists take over instead of choosing the status quo over evil.” they said smugly from their high horse.
The Dems are also fascists. I’m not saying support republicans, I’m saying support a new party altogether. The establishment has been screwing us for over 50 years now, and helping the Dems inevitably leads to more of the same.
First paragraph – totally with you. Onboard 100%, A+
Last sentence, unhelpful, leads to republicans taking office and skullfucking the shit out of this country. I don’t make that informal rules, I’ve just seen them play out repeatedly.
These discussions always assume the elections are fair, which in many states is not true.
Perhaps instead of bickering about unimportant stuff ( at least to me they are not important), everyone griping should at least check to make sure their local elections at least meet United Nations specifications? Maybe they do, but depending where you are at, probably not.
I will never ever understand political discussions done by the majority of Americans.
Political discussions between strangers probably never will be productive. I am just frustrated and fed up with the stupid ideas I see floating around. People who don’t understand the country’s politics are influencing it with this “both sides” bullshit and it’s ruined our country because now the worst imaginable humans rule over us. Before it was a mix of people between true human garbage and genuinely well meaning people. It is idiotic to suggest everyone is fully on one side or the other, but that’s what these idiots are peddling. And it’s working unfortunately.
Eh, it’s been a long journey for me. Years ago I was active in the Democratic Party in Texas, later I was a keyboard warrior who wrote millions of words, none of which did any good.
Now I just want fair elections; again writing words, now in a very small community, that also does no good.
But I’m done with the partisan stuff, and think both sides are equally out of their minds.
Democracies need accurate ballot counting, most states fail this. The primaries in both parties and the general elections have been tampered with for decades in many states. This has totally changed the character and leadership of both parties over the decades.
This is not a falsifiable argument because the only way to prove the above is wrong is to not use the election machines run by private organizations. While at the same time exit polls and stats hint of extreme ballot stuffing by these very companies. It’s not rocket science.
But, most commentators and social media participants in USA politics don’t care or want to know.
The ballot manipulation will allow democrats to win the midterms by a landslide, and most likely have the presidency again in 2028, and people who want paper ballots will be rendered mute again by most. Then next cycle the republicans will win again!
It’s a very long game, with each iteration moving more wealth away from the majority. And the only way to fix it is with paper ballots counted in front of witnesses and unlimited recounts allowed. Even then, it will take a long time to fix
Agreed we need much better voting protections and a complete overhaul of the system, with national standards the states should be required to meet. I think there is probably a more modern solution available that would satisfy the requirements you’ve laid out, but would be happy to start with paper ballots if that’s all we can muster. Eventually I’d like to see something like a 1 way hash that can be combined with some of a voter’s PII to publicly verify votes cast and results while protecting voter identities.
Most democracies use hand counted paper ballots. It works, and it’s fast enough, no need to improve it.
I don’t understand the American need to tinker with a good system.
That said, there is no way the majority of USA states will switch over to better counting systems. Some areas of the world will never be able to be truly democratic. The Americans have some weird system that works for their upper class, and the lower classes fully believe in it. This will not change in my lifetime
It sounds like you were politically active in TX around the same time I was, during GW era, based on prior comment. But this reads as if you are an expat now. Did you leave?
One of the reasons I think paper can be problematic is actually part of the same debacle that got W elected - the hanging chads in FL. After numerous recounts, it was in fact confirmed that Gore won, but by then fucking Fox News had declared the winner and the corrupt SCOTUS went along with it.
I’m glad we have some agreement at least.
I’d just like to remind you that we’ve voted Dems into a super majority 3 times in the past 25 years, and every time they find some excuse to do nothing. It’s infuriating, until you realize that they are controlled opposition in an oligarchy, and the point of modern American government is to help the richest people in the world exploit and rob vulnerable Americans for everything they’re worth. Then it’s just sad to see people continually going to bat for them.
Dems are a pressure relief valve and a fundraising organization, nothing more.
About 10 minutes ago a bunch of you started this conspiracy theory and to say the least: not buying it. Coming up with convoluted ways of explaining reality is just a distraction from the fact that it’s complicated and hard to understand
What conspiracy theory? Dems are bought, for just one example look at how they lick Israel’s boots and eagerly spend our money on killing Palestinian babies because their AIPAC handler pays them to do so. That doesn’t help us at home, and it doesn’t resonate with the voter base, yet they still collect the money and do the donor bidding every time.
I want actual representation, by stark contrast.
There is no conspiracy here other than the apparent belief that Democrats have democracy and the American people’s best interests in mind. Sure, there’s Bernie, but he won’t call himself a Dem - the reason why is no conspiracy, and that should tell you a lot about the Dem party.
A dodge of the obvious point I made, and a poor one