• CascadeOfLight [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
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    6 hours ago

    I’m not entirely sure what you’re trying to say in the first part

    that’s a LOW bar. pre-communist times are a very low bar. nobody here argued that russian life was better before the sfsr

    The literal entire argument is that Russian life didn’t improve enough under the USSR as compared to a fictional anarchist alternative, such that communists are indistinguishable from fascists. That is the entire crux of the argument in this 400+ comment section. If it’s a low bar, then how come no non-communist third world country ever had even close to that kind of explosive increase in life expectancy and quality?

    when were we comparing that? when were we justifying the US?

    I don’t understand what you don’t understand. You brought up Texas incarceration and death rates, and their contemporary characterization as horrific, and then compared them to USSR imprisonment rates as some kind of gotcha that the communists were unusally inhumane in their prison system even compared to the barbaric US, so I pointed out that as a beneficiary of imperialism the US doesn’t need as brutal punishment in its own territory, it can reserve its oppressive violence for all its vassal fiefdoms in South America - such as, for instance, El Salvador.

    where’d your series of questions about the purging of the statisticians go?

    Huh??? I asked those questions and you just didn’t respond to them or provide any evidence for your assertion, you just moved the conversation on to different points and I followed along. You and the other guy have a habit of just ignoring questions you can’t answer so I just let it slide. But again, what are you talking about purging statisticians? You know that word has a specific meaning of being expelled from the communist party, right? It’s not just a synonym for ‘being killed’, so what statisticians are you talking about that were in the communist party and got expelled for, I’m guessing, “showing statistics that Stalin didn’t like”?

    • Aatube@kbin.melroy.org
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      3 hours ago

      im gonna try and any% speedrun this response

      I’m not entirely sure what you’re trying to say in the first part

      atl you understood the second paragraph, right? i was stating the US prison statistics from the similar period you asked for

      The literal entire argument is that Russian life didn’t improve enough under the USSR as compared to a fictional anarchist alternative, such that communists are indistinguishable from fascists.

      firstly no it’s that it still went into many of the governance horrors capitalist states are criticized for

      secondly how does “oh look at that it was so much worse before” manage to give you anything to prove that

      imprisonment rates

      i never compared or even gave you an imprisonment rate. that’s amount of prisoners divided by population. i gave the prison excess mortality rate, deaths divded by prison population. that’s very different

      as a beneficiary of imperialism the US doesn’t need as brutal punishment in its own territory

      i don’t understand this logic. what makes brutal punishment necessary when you don’t do imperialism?

      you just didn’t respond to them or provide any evidence for your assertion

      yes i did did you even click on the link what did you think it was talking about