but he still had responsibilities towards this baby.
This is going to sound harsh: If the woman can choose to abort or not, no he doesn’t. If women want the sole responsibility on whether a fetus lives, they can get it. Fully. In that case: His wallet, his choice. His time, his choice. etc, etc.
Now, if there is an abortion ban, then it’s a different story, and the man should have the legal responsibility for both mom and child, by default.
yeah… I don’t think that can be the “general rule” (e.g. law perspective) since socially men already have a lot of power… But I take your point as logic and fair: For sure, if a couple goes in that discussion, and he is clear that he won’t help at all, and she still goes along with it… then okay, maybe there’s some fairness to the situation. Specially if she knows, and can handle all by herself (e.g. has some rich parents)
Anyway, I think the “her body her choice” motto is more about rape victims… so, I believe you are just stretching the situation. Saying “his wallet, his choice” is way too much. Sounds politically incorrect in all ways. Penis and Vagina had a consent, in your example, and that should be: her decision for abortion. You want to extend it to his decision on being present… (or, asking for the abortion.) I think this was a given until recently. Parenthood tests are available, and having a judge ‘force’ such thing is relatively new for ‘human history’ (thousands of years without it.) anyway… I am just ranting by now. tl;dr I don’t agree with you but whatever we are just random people on the internet.
This of course presumes the father wasn’t in the picture, which given all we know is that she was alone with the baby for a few days we can’t say if he was just away for a week or something. Or perhaps the father is deployed in the military.
Lot of discussion in this thread asserting a certain narrative when we just don’t know. We know that, tragically, a mother died and that by some mercy the infant was rescued. That’s really all we know.
This is going to sound harsh: If the woman can choose to abort or not, no he doesn’t. If women want the sole responsibility on whether a fetus lives, they can get it. Fully. In that case: His wallet, his choice. His time, his choice. etc, etc.
Now, if there is an abortion ban, then it’s a different story, and the man should have the legal responsibility for both mom and child, by default.
yeah… I don’t think that can be the “general rule” (e.g. law perspective) since socially men already have a lot of power… But I take your point as logic and fair: For sure, if a couple goes in that discussion, and he is clear that he won’t help at all, and she still goes along with it… then okay, maybe there’s some fairness to the situation. Specially if she knows, and can handle all by herself (e.g. has some rich parents)
Anyway, I think the “her body her choice” motto is more about rape victims… so, I believe you are just stretching the situation. Saying “his wallet, his choice” is way too much. Sounds politically incorrect in all ways. Penis and Vagina had a consent, in your example, and that should be: her decision for abortion. You want to extend it to his decision on being present… (or, asking for the abortion.) I think this was a given until recently. Parenthood tests are available, and having a judge ‘force’ such thing is relatively new for ‘human history’ (thousands of years without it.) anyway… I am just ranting by now. tl;dr I don’t agree with you but whatever we are just random people on the internet.
This of course presumes the father wasn’t in the picture, which given all we know is that she was alone with the baby for a few days we can’t say if he was just away for a week or something. Or perhaps the father is deployed in the military.
Lot of discussion in this thread asserting a certain narrative when we just don’t know. We know that, tragically, a mother died and that by some mercy the infant was rescued. That’s really all we know.