I do think it is most likely true that one’s gender and sexuality is not set at birth but instead emerges later for most people. I mean twin studies for one thing. Doesn’t mean it’s a choice though.
Considering gender is a social construct it can’t exist till a person has assimilated the information needed to create the construction.
Them figuring out where they sit inside of that construction is the tricky part.
Sexuality is hard to say, but considering observation in preferences among other species it’s likely to not manifest fully till an organism goes though their equivalent of puberty.
So in either case there’s basically no real argument that either is from birth. But also there’s even less of an argument that it’s a conscious choice. It’s a manifestation of the chemicals and/or the perception of the person. Depending on which of the two your talking about.
Now if we talking about biological sex. Then yeah your born with the bits you have. Don’t mean you can’t have them changed. Or disagree with the social expectations of gender commonly associated with those bits. Thank you modern medicine and fuck expectations!
For gender dysphoria there have been studies suggesting that prenatal hormone exposure plays a role. Many also experience dysphoria specifically about their genitals, so it’s likely about more than just social gender constructs (probably also depends on the individual though), with at least some contributing factors already decided at birth.
But yea, both gender and sexuality are very complex and there are bound to be environmental factors for both.
Many also experience dysphoria specifically about their genitals, so it’s likely about more than just social gender constructs (probably also depends on the individual though), with at least some contributing factors already decided at birth.
I mean, ultimately everything that goes on in your mind has a neurological component of some sort. I suspect with this, for example, the brain is structured to run body template A, but is piloting body template B and is basically throwing an error. I see no reason not to change the body to match the brain, especially since modifying the brain quickly heads into major ethical concerns and philosophical weirdness. I mean, ultimately the brain is you and the body is just a meat mech.
Pretty sure science does have evidence that there is heavy influence from how someone grows? Obviously how someone is raised can change their attitude towards identities, even as far as making ignorant people closet and resent themselves without even truly knowing why.
So… it’s pretty obvious that it’s both. It’s just an open question as to how much each affect, and I’d bet it’s wholly subjective anyways.
Yeah, it just bothers me when people reject “you are not born LGBT” as though it’s somehow a bigoted opinion. I guess they hear “not born” and mentally substitute “it’s a choice.”
I think most people who would agree with the phrase “you are not born LGBT” if you asked them to rank “agree”/“disagree” on a survey, and are not the kind of people who actively go around with an anti-LGBT agenda. Those with an anti-LGBT agenda obviously are the people who we hear saying this.
Blackness is a social construct, too. You might be born with darker skin, but a lot (if not most) black people in the USA are very visibly mixed race and even if they weren’t, it still doesn’t follow that they automatically need to have all these socioeconomic issues and stereotypes attached to them.
I do think it is most likely true that one’s gender and sexuality is not set at birth but instead emerges later for most people. I mean twin studies for one thing. Doesn’t mean it’s a choice though.
Considering gender is a social construct it can’t exist till a person has assimilated the information needed to create the construction.
Them figuring out where they sit inside of that construction is the tricky part.
Sexuality is hard to say, but considering observation in preferences among other species it’s likely to not manifest fully till an organism goes though their equivalent of puberty.
So in either case there’s basically no real argument that either is from birth. But also there’s even less of an argument that it’s a conscious choice. It’s a manifestation of the chemicals and/or the perception of the person. Depending on which of the two your talking about.
Now if we talking about biological sex. Then yeah your born with the bits you have. Don’t mean you can’t have them changed. Or disagree with the social expectations of gender commonly associated with those bits. Thank you modern medicine and fuck expectations!
Male homosexuality appears to be set before birth in at least some situations (but it’s still not genetic) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraternal_birth_order_and_male_sexual_orientation
For gender dysphoria there have been studies suggesting that prenatal hormone exposure plays a role. Many also experience dysphoria specifically about their genitals, so it’s likely about more than just social gender constructs (probably also depends on the individual though), with at least some contributing factors already decided at birth.
But yea, both gender and sexuality are very complex and there are bound to be environmental factors for both.
I mean, ultimately everything that goes on in your mind has a neurological component of some sort. I suspect with this, for example, the brain is structured to run body template A, but is piloting body template B and is basically throwing an error. I see no reason not to change the body to match the brain, especially since modifying the brain quickly heads into major ethical concerns and philosophical weirdness. I mean, ultimately the brain is you and the body is just a meat mech.
same for sexuality. I didn’t say that pre-birth effects have no impact.
I meant trans status, not gender. I don’t know that science has entirely determined the cause of trans status or that it’s social.
Pretty sure science does have evidence that there is heavy influence from how someone grows? Obviously how someone is raised can change their attitude towards identities, even as far as making ignorant people closet and resent themselves without even truly knowing why.
So… it’s pretty obvious that it’s both. It’s just an open question as to how much each affect, and I’d bet it’s wholly subjective anyways.
Yeah, it just bothers me when people reject “you are not born LGBT” as though it’s somehow a bigoted opinion. I guess they hear “not born” and mentally substitute “it’s a choice.”
That is how most people who say that mean it.
I think most people who would agree with the phrase “you are not born LGBT” if you asked them to rank “agree”/“disagree” on a survey, and are not the kind of people who actively go around with an anti-LGBT agenda. Those with an anti-LGBT agenda obviously are the people who we hear saying this.
I’m pretty sure black people are born black though
Blackness is a social construct, too. You might be born with darker skin, but a lot (if not most) black people in the USA are very visibly mixed race and even if they weren’t, it still doesn’t follow that they automatically need to have all these socioeconomic issues and stereotypes attached to them.
No. You accept Jesus, you become White.
Blackness IS a social construct …