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          The PRC is committing genocide against the Uighurs. If you, say, defended Xi on a particular issue or bought something made in the PRC, would you be supporting genocide?

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            You’re strawmanning. She’s specifically speaking about Israel’s genocide towards palestine. Arguably however, yes buying stuff made in China supports the regime committing genocide against the Uyghurs.

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        If you are talking about 2016/27 then your statement is missing a “in the span of just about 3 months”.

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          Nonetheless, kudos to Germany and Sweden, IMO she and whoever ran Sweden showed (relatively at least) good leadership on this issue.

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        take about 1 million refugees

        To weaken Assad, to take over Syria, to isolate Lebanon, to eliminate the threat of a retaliating all out Shiite uprising over the entire Middle East, to attack an isolated Iran.

        And Iran is most likely not the end of that chain.

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          To weaken Assad,

          which would be good.

          to take over Syria, to isolate Lebanon,

          Was Germany going to do that?

          to eliminate the threat of a retaliating all out Shiite uprising over the entire Middle East, to attack an isolated Iran.

          huh?

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              Was Germany going to do that?

              This is a team effort.

              What team? and if it was a team effort, Germany seems to be a bit player in it.

              huh?

              Huh what?

              I didn’t understand what you were saying in your previous post.

              Maybe this helps:

              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shia_Crescent

              It doesn’t, though now I know a little bit more about the distribution of the Shiites.

              IIUC, I don’t think Merkel, or any credible German leader, was too concerned about Syria, aside from human rights abuses which she probably, like many Western leaders, wagged her finger about. That and how if affected Israel—because Israel is a Jewish state, doncha know, with lots of Jewish people, doncha know, and Germany has had a unique history with Jewish people, doncha know, which Germany is in the process of reconciling—a reconciliation that might take centuries—and Merkel, who is presumably at least a bit of an attentive German leader, probably thought about such from to time to time; but again, on a typical day, when she first woke up in the morning, or walked to her office, her first thoughts were probably not often on Syria; so I don’t see how Germany, under her, would be some prominent member of some grand coalition to depose the Assad gang.

              If anything, change in Syria could be disruptive to Europe—as it did.

              Which makes Germany’s actions look even better.

              The Assad gang wasn’t Germany’s problem—it wasn’t Germany’s issue—yet she let those million in.

              I mean that the German far-right/alt-right/ADF went into fits over it, IMO, was part of the attraction—I suppose triggering Nazis may be even more fun when your close to retirement.

              Why do heroes such as Merkel (and whoever was running Sweden) do what they did?

              IMO it’s less important than that they did it.

              I think it was Churchill who said that bravery is the basis of morality.

              Merkel was brave.

              I suppose many on the German Left would be even more brave and generous, and perhaps their time in the chancellery will come.

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                What team?

                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_involvement_in_the_Syrian_civil_war

                I didn’t understand what you were saying in your previous post.

                I figured. But which part? The steps themselves or their connection?

                It doesn’t, though now I know a little bit more about the distribution of the Shiites.

                Have you read it all? This is the threat:

                In 2014, Qods Force Chief Qassem Suleimani outlined Ali Khamenei’s strategy of toppling the Arab governments, through military insurgencies waged by Iran-backed Khomeinist militants. Explaining that Iran’s goal was to occupy "

                With Syria under control, Iran cannot do that.

                her first thoughts were probably not often on Syria

                Not first thought but second

                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar–Turkey_pipeline

                Syria was allied with Russia and opposed the pipeline to maintain Russian influence.

                Merkel was outplayed because the industry that needs the gas is moving abroad. She wanted both pipelines and now there are none.

                I suppose many on the German Left would be even more brave and generous, and perhaps their time in the chancellery will come.

                She was not brave. The increase in crime is used to introduce the Palantir surveillance state. The culturally split society will be unable to oppose the dismantling of the welfare state. Using left policies to achieve right objectives.

                Look closely why Iran has an Islamic regime. There will never be a left party in power in Germany.

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                  What team?

                  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_involvement_in_the_Syrian_civil_war

                  In a quick glance I find only one mention of Germany:

                  On 18 August 2011, Barack Obama issued a written statement echoed by the leaders of the UK, France, and Germany, that inter alia said: “The future of Syria must be determined by its people, but President Bashar al-Assad is standing in their way. His calls for dialogue and reform have rung hollow while he is imprisoning, torturing, and slaughtering his own people. We have consistently said that President Assad must lead a democratic transition or get out of the way. He has not led. For the sake of the Syrian people, the time has come for President Assad to step aside."[80][82]

                  So Obama wrote something—essentially an opinion—that Merkel agreed with.

                  I didn’t understand what you were saying in your previous post.

                  I figured. But which part? The steps themselves or their connection?

                  Let’s say the connection: what significant role did Merkel, play in the fall of Assad?

                  If anything, she indirectly helped it by helping to drain some of the Sunnis away from Syria.

                  It doesn’t, though now I know a little bit more about the distribution of the Shiites.

                  Have you read it all? This is the threat:

                  No: the article is long, and I’ve already spent much time replying to replies ITT: it’s summer, and here in Toronto, it’s about 1:50 PM (EDT) (and currently 33°C), and there’s some grass that I might want to see. Maybe later.

                  In 2014, Qods Force Chief Qassem Suleimani outlined Ali Khamenei’s strategy of toppling the Arab governments, through military insurgencies waged by Iran-backed Khomeinist militants. Explaining that Iran’s goal was to occupy "

                  I don’t see that in the linked article.

                  With Syria under control, Iran cannot do that.

                  Why would Iran want Assad overthrown? I thought they were friends.

                  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar–Turkey_pipeline

                  Syria was allied with Russia and opposed the pipeline to maintain Russian influence.

                  Isn’t this (or at least was) the same Russia that exported natural gas to Germany?

                  Was this the same Assad regime that made deals with Islamic State regarding petroleum, even though they fought each other?

                  Is this the same Turkey that could probably use this pipeline as another source of natural gas, even if they would have to deal with the Assad gang?

                  Merkel was outplayed because the industry that needs the gas is moving abroad. She wanted both pipelines and now there are none.

                  If so, then at least it’s not her problem anymore.

                  Btw, kudos to Germany on developing alternatives such as solar and wind. 😁🙂

                  I suppose many on the German Left would be even more brave and generous, and perhaps their time in the chancellery will come.

                  She was not brave.

                  Braver than Orbán, Obama, or Canada’s Harper at any rate.

                  The increase in crime is used to introduce the Palantir surveillance state.

                  Hasn’t the crime gone down?

                  FWIW,

                  wp:Immigration and crime in Germany

                  The Independent reported that in 2017 crime in Germany was at its lowest for 30 years, and that crimes by non-Germans had fallen by 23% to just over 700,000.[27] At the same time, there was a significant increase in politically and racially motivated crime. Out of 462 right-wing offenders with outstanding warrants identified by Germany’s Interior Ministry, 104 were wanted for crimes classified as violent and 106 were wanted for crimes classified as politically motivated.[7]

                  The culturally split society will be unable to oppose the dismantling of the welfare state.

                  even if all the splinters oppose that?

                  Using left policies to achieve right objectives.

                  It happens. It might have been largely what made Elon Musk, the richest Nazi in history, rich.

                  Look closely why Iran has an Islamic regime.

                  IIUC, pro-West and pro-Soviet forces were kind of played out in revolutionary Iran.

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                    If anything, she indirectly helped it by helping to drain some of the Sunnis away from Syria.

                    We have to disagree here. At worst they work the jobs freed by Shiite soldiers but I think many can be turned into soldiers themselves.

                    No: the article is long

                    I don’t see that in the linked article.

                    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shia_Crescent

                    Overview

                    ​With Syria under control, Iran cannot do that.

                    Why would Iran want Assad overthrown?

                    They don’t. From the western point of view: We control Syria now which prevents Iran from supplying Lebanon.

                    Isn’t this (or at least was) the same Russia that exported natural gas to Germany?

                    Yes. With the availability of Qatar gas there would be no need for Russian gas, thus lower profits for Russia.

                    Hasn’t the crime gone down?

                    Doesn’t matter.

                    even if all the splinters oppose that?

                    Of course then the dismantling can be prevented. Would you bet on unity?

                    IIUC

                    you do