Tesla Vision fails as owners complain of Model 3 cameras fogging up in cold weather::A number of Tesla owners have taken to Reddit after their front cameras fogged up and stopped working in cold weather, leaving several features, including the US$10,000 FSD Beta, inoperable. Tesla has declined to assist to these customers, despite many of their vehicles being covered under warranty.
Every other car uses LIDAR and Elon thinks he’s such a forward thinker for shunning it. So dumb
Radar. Only a small handful of cars have LIDAR. But your point still stands. Outside of Elon being a humongous douche and completely unpredictable, the lack of sensors is the major reason for not wanting a Tesla.
Very few production vehicles have lidar. Like almost zero
The driving assist features of my Honda CR-V also stop working whenever there’s snow or ice on the front of the car. Bad design for cold climates is not just a Tesla issue.
You shouldn’t be out of park while there’s snow or ice on your vehicle. Clean off your fucking vehicles.
His argument makes sense. Human vision is not too different from just a camera. I see the argument for lidar but it can also be a bit more expensive to accomplish the same task. I’m open to listening to your argument as to why lidar technology would be a better path for self driving cars.
That argument doesn’t make sense because human vision isn’t that great either. When it’s dark or raining or snowing or foggy our vision is pretty shit.
I’m not saying LIDAR is better but rather point out that actually you want different types of sensors to accurately assess the traffic, because just one type of sensor isn’t likely to cut it. If you look at other manufacturers they’re not using only LIDAR or only camera. Some use LIDAR + camera, some user RADAR + camera, some user LIDAR, RADAR and camera. And I’m pretty sure that as manufacturers will aim for higher SAE levels they will add even more sensor into their cars. It’s only Tesla who thinks they can somehow do more with less.
I think it’s undeniable the combination of camera and lidar will be the best solution. I just hope this can be coss effective. Maybe over time we can be able to adapt and improve the technology and make it more economical so that it is safer for our roads.
People here have no idea what they are talking about, or how absurdly difficult it is to actually deploy lidar to a consumer vehicle. There’s a reason why Tesla is shipping more advanced driver assist tech than anyone else, and it’s because they went against the venture capitalist Lidar obsession which is holding everyone back. There’s a reason why there are basically zero cars shipping with lidar today.
You don’t need mm depth maps to do self driving. Not that you get that from lidar on rough roads anyway.
There are some test cars with lidar. It has the spinny thing on top and looks pretty interesting. I believe those cars are pretty successful. I don’t think they’re being mass produced though, because the costs might be a little prohibitive.
The most advanced that’s not even on autonomous level 3. It’s funny that Mercedes is the first to get level 3 approval in California and they don’t even boasting that as much.
That aside, a secondary sensor that help verifying if the vision get it right would be nice. It could be just a radar or whatever. Imagine if the vision fail to recognize a boy in a Halloween costume as a person, at least the secondary sensor will the car to stop due to contradict perception.
I might be misremembering but I think Teslas are actually more capable, they’re just deliberately stating they’re SAE level 2 so they could skirt the law and play loose and dangerous with their public beta test.
I haven’t researched this enough, but Tesla says that they are level 3, but never bother to get the actual approval is like how I kept saying that I’m smart, but too lazy back in my school years.
Put your money where your mouth is. Life are at stake here.
Think of that Coyote and the roadrunner cartoon. If there’s a graffiti that looks like a tunnel the coyote may run into the tunnel based on vision alone, but a secondary sensor will help telling that there’s a wall.
Irl, If the vision failed to recognize that there’s something on the road, at least a secondary sensor will protest that there’s something on the road.
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The obvious argument is that eyes are far from perfect and fail us all the time, especially when going fast. We are quite good at making up for it, but saying “We have eyes so my self driving cars will have eyes too” is pretty fucking dumb.
Camera fogging has been an issue since at least 2019… Tesla forums usually have threads from new owners surprised by this each year…
It was 100% predictable that ‘vision only’ would fail in these circumstances.
What irks me about this is I own an ev (not a Tesla obviously fiat 500e) and I slog/bash that thing through mud/snow/rain/several inches of water on the regular and even do what id consider rally driving with it at times and it’s fine. You know why? Because this was always a Tesla engineering failure and not an ev failure. But it sucks because people will think ev= unable to get wet which just is not true.
Teslas do not suck for core feature of the car. They get undue attention because of what they are and what Musk does, but the core features the car is supposed to do work very well.
I own a 3, so bias called out here, but do not own it for the auto drive. I don’t even really use it, just lane following. When I push go, it goes. When I want to get great range, I get great range. When I need it to rapidly charge and find me a route that charges as I need it, it does. It fills up enough to get to my destination at superchargers faster than I can check out at the gas station for my apple fritter.
All of the other crap aside with self driving, it does what I bought it for. I look forward to the day someone can sell me the same range for the same money, with the same charge rates, with the same rapid charger population across the US. When they do, I will gladly switch.
I don’t think Tesla is an engineering failure, in fact I think it is an engineering success for their motors and batteries (both of which get sold to other EV manufacturers as licensed products), but a marketing failure largely resulting from Musk’s push or outward statements he should never have made. With a decent filtering PR firm and letting this engineers run the development runway, Tesla would still be lauded.
The quality control is seemingly nonexistent though. The sucker that had theirs kick the bucket after getting rained on probably doesn’t care how well the core features work.
There is still nothing I have seen to date that proves to all of us they didn’t drive through and submerge the battery.
I don’t doubt Tesla’s shitty practices on customer service, and I don’t doubt the possibility of a WC failure letting rain be the cause. It could.
I just haven’t seen anything conclusive to reinforce they didn’t drive the vehicle in a manner that could be expected to cause water issues.
Once that gets produced, I will happily agree.
and submerge the battery.
So why wouldn’t the battery be sealed? Why is this a mode of failure that you believe is somehow acceptable? Short of the car going the route of a particular 500k P1… Why wouldn’t we expect the batteries to be sealed if they’re that sensitive to water ingress?
You realize that outside has a lot of water? And it’s pretty normal for some of that to get on the underside of your vehicle… Why wouldn’t tesla as a car design/manufacturer account for that and take reasonable precaution to stop water ingress on the battery? You even hear of an ICE car doing this short of driving into a lake?
All the core features, eh? Try your door handle when the battery’s dead then say that again with a straight face.
I heard of so many gaps in the bodywork, fogging up of the headlights or even the interior, stiff like that. It seems like there is a huge range of quality, even with the same model.
Some of that (not all) is anti EV propaganda, both funded by competitors or exaggerations and sometimes outright fabrication by people who (justifiably) dislike Musk.
That is extremely funny
Elmo’s douchbaggery rears its ugly head again.
But he can save $2 in costs on your $30,000 car
So, the only way to have anything covered under warranty is to never have your Tesla leave the indoor track which is temp/humidity controlled.
Oh how far we’ve advanced.
No point in doing warranty work when you don’t have a fix for the problem, this is what happens when you buy hard goods from a manufacturer that runs itself like a software company.
Can confirm it’s terrible all around. FSD is horrendous. It also has problems in bright sun and rain.
Why do people still buy Teslas? Serious question
Edit - great responses everyone. It was a genuine question & I appreciate the candor
From an Australian perspective, I wanted an ev and I wanted to be able to take it on road trips. The supercharger network is the most comprehensively built out infrastructure here and frankly the only way to reliably make long road trips.
The minute they open it up to other manufacturers that advantage disappears; similarly if we had any genuine effort from any corner to build out competing infrastructure.
It’s easy to shit on Tesla because, well, , but in some markets they still hold a distinct and compelling competitive advantage.
Meanwhile my anecdotal n=1 stranger on the internet story is that I’ve not had any issues with my model 3 so far: for me, it’s been a great car. When I purchased it, the decision came down to the 3 or the polestar 2, and at the time polestar had zero service capability here: based on 12 months of driving I feel I made the right decision.
It’s like they only ever tested it in SoCal on sunny days.
That’s been evident for years. Like the 3 that when it was released hadn’t been tested in rain so when you opened the back door all water poured into the car…
It’s only a problem if you use your cars outside…
I was very happy with my 2019 model 3. I upgraded to a new model y a month ago, and the vision stuff definitely feels like a downgrade. I already have a scratch because the vision based park assist is so bad.
That interesting. I find the auto park so slow to use, it just bugs me that it can’t park in one swift motion. I have a model Y that went from radar to vision and FSD is definitely better now than before, but they also don’t have car-length based follow distance anymore.
The latest update added “follow the speed/flow of traffic” and that works excellent. I drive 200 miles a day in heavy traffic a few times a week and it is far less stressful in the Tesla w/ FSD.
I wouldn’t know how well auto park works bc so far it’s never been enabled… 😆
I try it every now and then and yeah, it’s never worth it.
I’ve successfully used autopark twice since 2019.
All the other times, if it sees a parking space at all (which is very rare) it has either aborted immediately or tried to reverse into an obstacle.
