Where are the #FreeTheHostages people now?
Don’t they have empathy for the kidnapped volunteers of #FreedomFlotilla?
Does anyone care about their safety and well being?
#Israel #Gaza #Activism #hostages #Piracy #SanctionIsrael #BDS @[email protected] @[email protected] @israel
Honestly a pretty good outcome so far from their nonviolent action.
Well done.
@frightful_hobgoblin exactly.
Israel demanding that they sign an illegal deportation order,
Even though they were kidnapped on international waters and being held hostage inside Israel.
This is outrageous and sadly not many politicians seem to care protesting it and calling for Israel to be held accountable
To be honest i’m also a bit relieved by their reply, imagine they made a big deal out of kidnapping 15 protesters after being silent about a genocide all this time.
Funny thing, no one in Turkey is covering how they raided freedom flotilla in international waters. Turkey is as pro Israel as UK, France and America
Greta was deported to France. https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20250610-greta-thunberg-tells-france-24-she-was-kidnapped-by-israel
Calling out hypocrisy is a fools errand
I agree, but their journey has been a lot more influential than your average protest (we need both).
Absolutely. I hope more people follow in their footsteps, or wake as it were
The “free the hostages folks” are usually anti-zionist. And, yeah, they want these hostages free, and the majority of the hostages are Palestinians
Sorry, seems like you have 0 clue what you’re talking about, so I’ll fill you in.
“Free the hostages” was the tagline used by Zionists and Zionist sympathizers following October 7th, because HAMAS took multiple Israeli citizens hostage.
It has nothing to do with freeing the Palestinians.
Didn’t they also pick up some refugees from a raft along the way? What happened to them?
@Hupf they did not pick them up, as far as I understand, it was an SOS call and they stopped and helped them. I can find the details it you want.
Everyone who wanted to leave got the chance to leave by signing deportation papers. Those who didn’t will face legal procedures in Israel.
Thats definitely the same as the hostages from 7th October…
The Israelis haven’t shot them while they were waving white flags, so in that sense it is very different.
The fact that that story even exists and wasn’t buried says more about Israels transparency and Hamas tactics in combat, more than relate to this new incident.
Or do you really compare Greta Thunberg with Hamas?
The fact that that story even exists and wasn’t buried says more about Israels transparency
It occurred during a live filming and leaked before the Israelis could squelch it.
This wasn’t transparency, it was a PR fuck up by the IDF.
Or do you really compare Greta Thunberg with Hamas?
Greta is doing her best. I’m not going to rag on her.
It occurred during a live filming and leaked before the Israelis could squelch it.
As if that has stopped authorities before. They could just as well have doubled down.
Live leaked video isn’t something you can just magic away
Oh, I see you haven’t met Donald Trump or Vladimir Putin. Or Xi Jinping.
Thanks for that complete non-sequitor.
Netanyahu fits that list no doubt
@teslasaur so we should treat Israel like they did Hamas now?
Who will start bombing first?Reading comprehension strong i see.
Israel is not like Hamas, so no.
so you just sucking up to genocidal maniac Netanyahu ad his KKK ministers.
just another sack of shit who justifies anything Israeli Trump is doing.
Not at all. I’m just morally at odds with eqating a functioning democracy with Hamas or hizbollah.
I am vehemetely against the blocking of aid to Palestine children, it is cruel and objevtively wrong.
But this post, much like yourself only exists as a tool for the left/right-dogmatic fighting that only exasurbates misinformation.
A “functioning democracy” that denies millions of people the right to vote (or indeed any rights at all)
I hope they are all safe. But I need someone to really lay it out…how much aid was actually on that boat?
One boat. 2 million starving people.
If you think this was about the aid on that boat, you may want to go back to step one.
It was to force the hands of the governments of the people who were detained. Which would hopefully lead to more aid getting through.
It was reported as a symbolic amount of aid including baby food.
Basically nothing on purpose because a useful amount could be perceived as supporting hamas.
The plan was a succes they knew they would never make it but they demonstrated that Israel will spend resources to bar even the most minimal of aid.
one (1) boatload
Why is that of any consequence?
The only people who truly care about Gaza are the ones who have endlessly deep pockets to fund a relief effort that would also get turned away.
No word on what this says about the IDF, of course.
It’s the first boat. There will be others. And if they can break the siege, lots and lots more
More than none, which what you’re bringing I’m guessing
Why are you asking? Because some israeli shithead talked shit? lol
I’m all for Greta’s actions in nearly every aspect. But what was the freedom flotilla expecting what would happen? That they would peacefully land on the beach, help and go home and not be intercepted?
- They were attacked on international waters, which is an act of piracy
- Preventing access to humanitarian aid is a crime against humanity
Actually it was an act of war since it was done using the country’s military.
Piracy is reserved for unaffiliated parties.
So essentially Israel has committed an act of war against whatever country the boats’ are registered under
Not Italy. But Swedish, Brazilian, German, Turkish, French, etc.
Those countries won’t be too happy if Israel is kidnapping their citizens. And those countries may change their financial and diplomatic relationships with Israel as a result.
Israel cannot continue the genocide without foreign support. Quite literally they need weapons from those countries
Those countries won’t be too happy if Israel is kidnapping their citizens.
One might expect them to care, but the Foreign Minister of Sweden was pretty unconcerned
They have killed many European citizens, from journalists to aid workers, and none of the EU countries have even reduced their amount of support for Israel let alone condemned them on it. Why would they care now?
States doing piracy to each other without war was a staple of the golden age of piracy. It was called privateering.
Right, modern day international law would define that as an act of war.
Clearly not
“Act of war” is not the same as “declaration of war”, in case you were under that impression.
It clearly is.
Just because a nation commits an act of war against you doesn’t mean that you have to declare war and attack. All it means is you have a justifiable cause to retaliate under international law
@Chrusher seriously what the Fuck is wrong with you people?
She was trying to take food and medicine to Gaza and show the world that Israel is blocking aid not just by land but also the sea.
I’m s o sick of assholes like you ignoring the value of activism to draw attention to an ongoing genocide that the media and politicians trying to hide from the public.
He is the type of propagandist who think is smart by trying to act neutral
@rumimevlevi exactly. There are so many of them on lemmy
It isn’t a Lemmy problem, I assure you. It’s a general population problem.
It’s more that these suspiciously trollish accounts have realized that the outright denial of genocide doesn’t work as well here as it does on reddit/instagram/Twitter, so they almost exclusively resort to concern trolling here.
Honestly Lemmy isn’t that bad in this regard.
Go on any popular subreddit and that line of thinking is literally one of the more benign opinions about this whole thing. /r/worldnews ate up the Israeli claim that most of the aid were consumed by the activists, even though they have not even stated the amount of aid they confiscated or provided any other evidence other than their worthless words.
It’s funny how the mainstream subreddits were all about Greta’s “how dare you” message in the face of the Republicans’ hate for her. Well now they’re the ones saying horrible things about her and see no problem with it. Especially when the main criticism last time was “well what are you doing about it other than talking?” This time she is trying to do something about what she believes in and we can’t have that.
@HiddenLayer555 I left reddit years ago, I had an account with over a million “credit” and got into argument with some people on various “Iranian” groups pretending to be Iranians, but found out that most of them were fake accounts of one of the super mods of the site using the same IP. got a lifetime ban when I exposed him (his location was in Tel Aviv).
I’m sorry, but I think you’re overreacting to their comment. I don’t see them being willfully ignorant as you believe.
To answer you question OP, yes these volunteers knew the risks. They did it anyway. As most or all of them are from EU countries, the EU is feeling more and more pressure to stop supporting Isn’treal.
There is no overreaction. “What did they expect to happen” implies Israel has some kind of right to do this.
Maybe it’s cuz I’m not a native speaker, but I don’t see it as an implication that Israel has the right to do that. More that it’s a foregone conclusion that they’re GOING to do that because they’re horrible.
If anything, I read it as someone who agrees that Israel fucking sucks, but misses the point of the message itself, which can happen from time to time.
Of course it is a foregone conclusion for us sane people in the know. But the reason these people had to do it is because Zionists kept spamming how activists should just go to Gaza and bring them food themselves.
By proving that this is impossible, Zionists can no longer use the excuse and instead have to change their argument to “Israel’s right to starve Palestinians”
Greta called their bluff and forced their hand. And she risked her life to do so as Israel has killed activists doing this in the past.
which can happen from time to time.
In those cases someone will likely respond or edit the comment to show they didn’t mean it in a bad way or something. Staying silent after making a point is more on point for someone who knew exactly what their comment will cause. You might be right, but I am not putting my money on that in this case.
Good point, actually
In real life i try to give people the benefit of the doubt, try to stand up for the underdog, give people second chances etc but in my life i’ve come to see that, unlike in real life, there are actors who want to come across like regular people but are not really a regular guy with just another opinion. I have no clue about this user in particular, but i tend to be extra sceptical when it’s about a controversial topic - especially if a country, community or company involved who has in other cases hired people to influence opinions via social media. Isreal is one of those, so something like them never responding is more sus than when it’s some unimportant topic. Still think it’s good to be a positive person, but you might lend someone a hand you wouldn’t if you knew their true intention (though again, i dont know what this guys intention is).
Have you thougt of /s ?
They knew with almost 100% certainty that they would be captured. The aid supplies were just enough to justify going to Gaza. If by chance they got through, so be it, some people got help. This is getting international attention and will hopefully ramp up the pressure for the home countries of these people to actually do something.
Braindead comment. Literally this is what they expected. Either they get media publicity showing how Israel is transgressing and commiting crimes on international water or they get to Gaza and can help people there. Even if they didnt bring a cruiser cargo of supplies they can still actively help the situation there.
They risk their lives fully aware of what the outcomes are and you are incapable of even thinking a singular action ahead - baffling.
Great explaination. I don’t see why you had to start it off with a rude comment though. Leave that shit on reddit.
Pretty sure they expected this to happen and that was the point. It’s about raising awareness of Israel’s depravity.
Honestly that would probably have been the smartest move for Israel. Let a token / useless amount of aid get through so they can say “see we’re allowing aid!”, but not enough to matter.
They couldn’t tolerate the appearance of weakness or charity, because the Israeli settlers would be engaged as a result.
If anything, not simply killing the crew will likely be reported on as Woke and Soy.
approximately this
This is how satyagraha activism is supposed to go: they’ve made the bad guys incriminate themselves and put themselves in a bad position legally and in public perception.
Do you think they should have chickened out because of the possibility of arrest?
Showing how israel refuse to enter basic aid to gaza , the governments sucking israel D. Also the interception cost money israel more than thr cost of oeganizing the flotilla
some aid ships managed to get through.
there are people starving. won’t fault anyone for trying to bring in food.
