You’re jumping through a lot of hoops to portray Joss as aggressive so you can justify his murder. Let’s start here:
1.) All three dogs were found
Nothing in the article confirms they only had three dogs. On top of that, other sources you posted said they only found 2 dogs. Including this video from earlier today that is even more recent than the article that alleges they lost their three which is from Janurary. We also have no idea if there were more than 3 dogs, because the term they found all three dogs isn’t anywhere in your source. Simply that they found 3, and that number isn’t even likely correct. (Edit: On re-read, Sources 2, 3 and 4 all cite 2 dogs being lost in the fire. Did you even read your own sources and confirmed you had the correct number before you started spouting off?)
2.) 3.) What caused the fire?
This is a weird, semantic, pedantic, hill to die on. The police themselves say they don’t know what caused the fire. If it was an accidental fire from a propane heater, grill, etc, it would be incredibly easy to determine if that was the origin point of the fire. The fact they couldn’t determine the cause is either a sign to their utter incompetence, or that there was foul play. Even your own source for 4 had this quote:
I have classified this fire to be undetermined in nature at this time but cannot rule out human involvement intentional or unintentional
They already knew there was a heat source, but they can’t confirm the fire started from there? That’s extremely suspect. Meanwhile getting away with arson is fairly easy due to the nature of fire. Given these circumstances, you needs a lot more evidence to prove Jonathan Joss was the person responsible for his house fire. On top of that, Joss’ house wasn’t insured. So it’s not like he or his husband caused it for the insurance payout.
4.) 5.) Previous incidents.
He was loud and brazen in his neighborhood, likely because of the abuse he received. However there is zero evidence that Jonathan ever aimed his crossbow at his neighbors house. The only evidence for this claim from a few anonymous sources, and the fact they found a crossbow on his property during a search. The pitchfork wielding was because he found his dog dead. Again, nothing in your first text proves whatsoever that Jonathan didn’t find his third dog. Or even that Jonathan only had 3 dogs. Considering even the NBC source says 2 dogs found, that’s 2 sources to your 1 saying otherwise. So it seems like there were only 2 dogs found.
6.) SAFFE investigation
First off, I’d like to see any evidence to the claim that Johnathan would shoot guns pr fire his crossbow from his property. I haven’t seen a single substantiated claim that has ever happened. Second, the crossbow incident can’t be substantiated whatsoever either. Jonathan had a crossbow, but there’s zero evidence he ever brought it to his neighbors house. Plus it’s weird that you bring that up like it happened repeatedly. Even if it did happen, which again there’s zero evidence to it having happened, it only happened once.
And literally none of your sources ever once ask or answer where all of this animosity stemmed from. It very much seems like it could be a hate-crime, and its weird that you’re in multiple threads railing against Joss. You have a weird vendetta it seems.
Its possible they were shot for different reasons, but Joss’s husband and another neighbor both stated that they were harassed due to his sexuality. Joss clearly worsened the tensions with his neighbor, but it seems very likely that it initially started due to their issues with his sexuality.
Disagree on the two people needing help. The shooter doesn’t deserve help and obviously was a bigoted racist. Joss definitely needed help, but the shooter? Fuck 'em.
If my neighbor, who is a crazy abusive asshole, was doing everything you described i wouldn’t shoot them. Who the fuck shoots people for being crazy?
I like your way with words. I still completely disagree with having sympathy for the shooter. Its not just your comment that’s driving my feelings and I haven’t bought into the “he was a harmless gay guy” narrative either. In general I have very little sympathy for people who choose to shoot someone for a disagreement.
I may put people into different groups than most. I’ve encountered too many crazy people over the years I think. Most of them are so much more evil than most people would like to believe. Its fine to think most people are inherently good. Because it’s probably true. The real issue is the percent of people who just suck, and dont deserve help, beyond being walked into their own grave.
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You’re jumping through a lot of hoops to portray Joss as aggressive so you can justify his murder. Let’s start here:
Nothing in the article confirms they only had three dogs. On top of that, other sources you posted said they only found 2 dogs. Including this video from earlier today that is even more recent than the article that alleges they lost their three which is from Janurary. We also have no idea if there were more than 3 dogs, because the term they found all three dogs isn’t anywhere in your source. Simply that they found 3, and that number isn’t even likely correct. (Edit: On re-read, Sources 2, 3 and 4 all cite 2 dogs being lost in the fire. Did you even read your own sources and confirmed you had the correct number before you started spouting off?)
This is a weird, semantic, pedantic, hill to die on. The police themselves say they don’t know what caused the fire. If it was an accidental fire from a propane heater, grill, etc, it would be incredibly easy to determine if that was the origin point of the fire. The fact they couldn’t determine the cause is either a sign to their utter incompetence, or that there was foul play. Even your own source for 4 had this quote:
They already knew there was a heat source, but they can’t confirm the fire started from there? That’s extremely suspect. Meanwhile getting away with arson is fairly easy due to the nature of fire. Given these circumstances, you needs a lot more evidence to prove Jonathan Joss was the person responsible for his house fire. On top of that, Joss’ house wasn’t insured. So it’s not like he or his husband caused it for the insurance payout.
He was loud and brazen in his neighborhood, likely because of the abuse he received. However there is zero evidence that Jonathan ever aimed his crossbow at his neighbors house. The only evidence for this claim from a few anonymous sources, and the fact they found a crossbow on his property during a search. The pitchfork wielding was because he found his dog dead. Again, nothing in your first text proves whatsoever that Jonathan didn’t find his third dog. Or even that Jonathan only had 3 dogs. Considering even the NBC source says 2 dogs found, that’s 2 sources to your 1 saying otherwise. So it seems like there were only 2 dogs found.
First off, I’d like to see any evidence to the claim that Johnathan would shoot guns pr fire his crossbow from his property. I haven’t seen a single substantiated claim that has ever happened. Second, the crossbow incident can’t be substantiated whatsoever either. Jonathan had a crossbow, but there’s zero evidence he ever brought it to his neighbors house. Plus it’s weird that you bring that up like it happened repeatedly. Even if it did happen, which again there’s zero evidence to it having happened, it only happened once.
And literally none of your sources ever once ask or answer where all of this animosity stemmed from. It very much seems like it could be a hate-crime, and its weird that you’re in multiple threads railing against Joss. You have a weird vendetta it seems.
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So you’re jumping through hoops and to conclusions. Take your own advice guy.
Funny, you’re the one that’s been doing that. Especially since you’ve been spreading outright false info to push your point.
Edit: I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone throw a tantrum in their edits the way OP just did lmao
Source? The report I saw said he used a barbecue indoors but that it was turned off and the investigation didnt find it to be the cause.
Even if he had other issues, the killer still shot him while shouting homophobic slurs at him. It doesnt change it being a hate crime.
I think you need to do some reading on what a hate crime is.
Driving down to a gay bar and indiscriminately attacking gays because they are gay? That’s a hate crime.
Getting into an argument and shooting your neighbour you’ve had many arguments and threats with before - just a regular old murder.
Unless the arguments they had stemmed from Jonathan being gay. Which is the claim his husband is making.
Again, multiple people have reported that the arguments were caused by his homophobia.
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Its possible they were shot for different reasons, but Joss’s husband and another neighbor both stated that they were harassed due to his sexuality. Joss clearly worsened the tensions with his neighbor, but it seems very likely that it initially started due to their issues with his sexuality.
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Okay. Am I supposed to know who you are? Or, indeed, give a fuck? No? Cool. Glad we cleared that up.
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Disagree on the two people needing help. The shooter doesn’t deserve help and obviously was a bigoted racist. Joss definitely needed help, but the shooter? Fuck 'em.
If my neighbor, who is a crazy abusive asshole, was doing everything you described i wouldn’t shoot them. Who the fuck shoots people for being crazy?
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I like your way with words. I still completely disagree with having sympathy for the shooter. Its not just your comment that’s driving my feelings and I haven’t bought into the “he was a harmless gay guy” narrative either. In general I have very little sympathy for people who choose to shoot someone for a disagreement.
I may put people into different groups than most. I’ve encountered too many crazy people over the years I think. Most of them are so much more evil than most people would like to believe. Its fine to think most people are inherently good. Because it’s probably true. The real issue is the percent of people who just suck, and dont deserve help, beyond being walked into their own grave.