What’s the problem here? That’s how I started with Linux.
Idk seems like gatekeeping to me. Why don’t they wipe their disk and install Arch like real sigma linux users?
Then get traumatized after having to wipe the entire system again because some package rendered the bootloader or the system completely useless.
Why stop there? Can you even call yourself computer literate if you can’t manually flip the bits in your RAM to perform basic tasks?
Potentially relevant xkcd here: https://xkcd.com/378/
I don’t even think VMs were a thing when I started. I remember dual booting back to Windows to google shit to fix drivers then then back 😂
What’s this “Google” thing you speak of? Back in my days you bought a huge book which came with a red hat or mandrake CD-ROM.
Bought? I always got my distros from the fat kid at school with a CD burner.
In France ADSL was still a couple years away, so it was actually cheaper to buy the book and the CD instead of downloading the ISO and looking up documentation online.
I had hand-scribbled instructions from said fat kid’s older brother. It was in a sticker-bombed binder. And they weren’t, like, cool stickers. It was just like promo shit for hardware and industrial equipment manufacturers.
Technically VMs are older than Windows, but it was not super accessible in the 90s and early 00s which is when I’m guessing you were doing this.
My system can barely handle windows 7. A linux VM on top of that? Fuck no
So installed mint
Dude why downvote that? It gives people another way to use Linux.
The repetitive summary alone deserves all the downvotes
It allows people to keep using windows. If they had no alternative, they would install Linux natively
If they had no alternative, they would stick with Windows.
Depends. As an IT student, my mates have no choice but to use Linux
Don’t be an elitist douche, dude. Weaning people off of windows is a valid strategy.
when you do it this way, it’s foss, when you do it the other way around, it’s piracy
society
And if you do it the correct way it’s WSL2.
the correct way is to install linux on bare metal and not use windows at all
The correct way to install Linux on Windows is to install it on bare metal? Looks like you failed the reading comprehension.
No, the correct way in general is to not install windows at all
Unless you need something that’s Windows-only. And dual-booting is the worst possible option.
Single gpu passthrough with qemu vm, ez.
qemu? Doesn’t that totally kill all performance? Also, unless you have massice performance margins, running two OSes at the same time will have a serious impact on performance, especially if Windows is the OS that needs the performance.
then you put it in box and make passthrough work
Stuff needs to be worth the effort. Most people run an OS to get specific tasks done, not the other way round. Sure, you can spend days getting something to work. Or you just don’t.
I don’t usually downvote on Lemmy, but this is a real test of willpower.
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What’s with the 19 👎️ in that pic? I guess people really do hate Oracle.
Probably stuck up Linux users mad that someone wants to virtualize a distro instead of just installing it bare metal.
This is why people hate Linux nerds. Thanks.
Eh, that’s still a decent gateway drug
Don’t even need virtual box. You can just install Linux directly on Windows using what they call “WSL” (Windows subsystem for Linux)
They’re doing it the wrong way round, VBox was actual garbage on Windows the last time I tried it. On Linux it just works and on Windows I considered myself lucky whenever something worked.
Yes, Linux (maybe it’s just an Ubuntu problem) does not run well in Virtual box. I could get it to boot 1/10 times and was quite unstable. But that was two years ago, maybe things have changed
Interesting. Linux runs fine in Linux (in a virtual box, or other similar visualising mechanism). I realise I’ve never tried VirtualBox in Windows.
VirtualBox+HyperV runs Linux horribly - the “this shit is unbootable” kind of horribly.
If you disable HyperV and use VirtualBox’s default hypervisor, it at least boots and you can interact with the desktop environment. But it’s still slow.
I’d love to run Linux as the primary env, but without a second GPU for GPU passthrough windows is basically useless for gaming.
So for now windows is the primary environment
I stuck with Windows for the longest time because of gaming, but for my needs that’s no longer necessary. If it’s been a while since you tried Steam on Linux you might want to give it another try.
I play games that are almost exclusively not Linux compatible. CoD, Destiny 2 and iRacing are all still windows only and they’re about all I play
Those games all show up on Lutris.
Anti-cheats don’t work, even if the game runs. It’s the curse of always online gaming.
I heard that with the rising popularity of the Steam Deck, EAC is working on Linux compatibility (at least through Proton). In fact, I think it’s been available for developers to switch on right now.
That’s kinda the Linux curse. It works for almost every use case and the use cases it works for are increasing every year. But it’s still not every use case.
For work I can live with terrible teams for linux and prospect mail. But for my private main PC, there are just too many use cases that are important to me, that still don’t work.
Totally get it. I’ve got 1-2 pieces of hardware that are also windows dependent, so I still need to find solutions for them. Otherwise it’s exactly what you say, a few specific use cases that can’t be replicated.
It can be mitigated by adding a second, lesser gpu to use for a Linux main host and then pass the main gpu through to windows, but that’s contingent on 2 gpus. I’d need a new case and to watercool mine to do it, so I figure I’m just going to wait until I do a full upgrade and then run Linux as the main. I’ve had a great experience with Pop_OS on desktop so far.
Don’t get me started on Linux and GPUs… Getting a laptop with dGPU to actually use both iGPU and dGPU and be able to switch between them is such a pain under Linux. Under Windows it’s as easy as just installing Windows. If you are really eager, you’d also install a driver directly from the GPU manufacturer and not just grab the one from Windows Update. And configuring the switching is super easy as well.
At least a year ago when I tried to set this up the last time, that was ~10h of work to get it working semi-decently on Linux.
That’s the point where the cost-benefit ratio goes out the window.
My solution to overcome that was to have a windows VM on my server. Kind of edge case since most people won’t have spare computing power on a machine in the closet, but that’s how I managed to switch to Linux full time.
I don’t get it? I first experienced Linux on Virtual Box (back when it was by Sun Microsystems, somewhere in 2011)
This is a really good way of introducing people to desktop Linux, it’s miles better than telling them to run WSL /etc
I’m sorry but this is just… Toxic?
Can you install Linux, to install windows, which has a copy of Linux installed? I assume the only end system resources?
Here’s Windows running in Virtualbox on Linux, which is running in Virtualbox on Windows.
You’d need nested virtualization enabled on your CPU, but yup, you can do it.
I hope today is Opposite day!
Vmware? eww
gross
