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    What you’re saying doesn’t constitute a strong argument. My position is that we should notinclude trans people in those categories because, later on, we cannot remove them (which would be much worse). You, on the other hand, seem to opt for ignoring that and, through ignorance, place people with views similar to mine in the position of oppressors trying to remove those people from that category. That’s malevolent.

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      You’re either a fed or a bot, I don’t care to find out for either. Trans people make up 1% of the United States and within that 1% barely any trans people play sports. The news has hyper actively focus on the ones that do.

      If you want to make an entire section of sports for less than 1% of the United States pick your self up by your bootstraps and go nuts. Other wise, who cares.

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        Trans people make up 1% of the United States and within that 1% barely any trans people play sports.

        As I mentioned, you don’t need to have 10% of people with an unfair advantage in sports; you just need a few on the podium. You completely ignored that because it’s easier for you to fight with an imagined bot than an actual argument.

        If those athletes’ performance would align with others, that wouldn’t be an issue. What I’m raising as an issue is that they could build muscle differently, and even bone density can be different for men and women. It’s impossible to eradicate all those characteristics. That’s what trans people are trying to do and they have made progress, but some things stay, especially for those who began transitioning late after puberty.

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              This is also dumb as fuck. This isn’t a courtroom or a debate stage. No one owes every dumbass with a phone and a lemmy account a well reasoned response. Say some dumb fucking shit and you’ll get a dumb fucking response.

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          yeah, gonna second that counter point. this is not worth the government’s time… it’s sports, it doesn’t actually matter. let the leagues or whatever figure this out for themselves.

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      Absolutely nothing you said is new or novel though, that was their point. It’s the same line the right has been using for the last… 10 years or so? Idk, whenever they decided they were mad about it. You’re repeating talking points whether you know it or not.

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        What a great non-argument you made. Republican said it and it hasn’t changed so it must be wrong.

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          Right, hasn’t changed for Republicans, or him, or you apparently. Everyone else has heard the argument and doesn’t actually care. It’s sports, it’s not that important.

          Do you want the federal government making rules for baseball? The argument is so incredibly stupid it makes it seem like a bad faith argument. It’s not the integrity of the sport they’re concerned with at all.

          Hope I helped clear that up for you T-Bone, let me know if you need further clarification.

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      My position is that we should notinclude trans people

      place people with views similar to mine in the position of oppressors trying to remove those people from that category. That’s malevolent.

      Do you even listen to yourself?

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            People without legs participate in runs in the Paralympics, and some of their prosthetics are quite bouncy. I wouldn’t be surprised if at some point they beat runners with legs using those prosthetics.

            I would prefer for them not to compete with “regular” runners because the balance between having legs and bounciness of the prosthetics shouldn’t be the deciding factor when determining the winner.

            Letting people with prosthetics compete with each other and not with people with legs is fair for both groups.

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                Removing categories in sports would result in podiums filled with men, which is a root of that problem.

                It is fine if you don’t mind it.

                I prefer categorization for men, women, trans men, trans women, paralympics, and I would even leave that amusing category of not-tall-man basketball because they in fact cannot compete with tall players but they still can compete among themselves.

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          “Those people” Sounds familiar. What were you saying about malevolence and being the oppressors, again?

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            I’m not a native speaker, and it seems like you hear what you want to hear. My responses were polite, but please continue with your whistle-blowing, it’s evident that argumentation is not your strong suit.

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              I’m not a native speaker either, buttercup. That’s no excuse to be the bigot that all your comments on this thread show you out to be.

              Call me whatever you want but you’re shit at arguing your own points and you’re anything but polite. Keep yapping.