• DeeDan06@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    2 days ago

    Ai bro here. The reason there shit aint selling is because its useless for any actual ai aplication. Ai runs on gpus even an ai cpu will be so much slower than what an nvidea gpu can do. Of course no one buys it. Nvideas gpus still sell very well, and not just because of the gamers.

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      ah yes the only way to make LLMs, a technology built on plagiarism with no known use case, “useful for any actual ai application” is to throw a shitload of money at nvidia. weird how that works!

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      A lot of these systems are silly because they don’t have a lot of RAM and things don’t begin to get interesting with LLMs until you can run 70B and above

      The Mac Studio has seemed an affordable way to achieve running 200B+ models mainly due to the unified memory architecture (compare getting 512GB of RAM in a Mac Studio to building a machine with enough GPU to get there)

      If you look the industry in general is starting to move towards that sort of design now

      https://frame.work/desktop

      The framework desktop for instance can be configured with 128GB of RAM ($2k) and should be good for handling 70B models while maintaining something that looks like efficiency.

      You will not train, or refine models with these setups (I think you would still benefit from the raw power GPUs offer) but the main sticking point in running local models has been VRAM and how much it costs to get that from AMD / Nvidia

      That said, I only care about all of this because I mess around with a lot of RAG things. I am not a typical consumer

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        ah yes the only way to make LLMs, a technology built on plagiarism with no known use case, “not silly” is to throw a shitload of money at Apple or framework or whichever vendor decided to sell pickaxes this time for more RAM. yes, very interesting, thank you, fuck off

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          Built on copyright infringement, not plagarism (the data scientists that built them aren’t going around pretending all the training content was their ideation/creation). There are so many NLP tasks and areas of research that have been wholly obsoleted due to LLMs including sentiment analysis, summarization, translation, NER, data extraction, etc., so I find the “no known use case” to be rather ignorant. The first consumer computers also had tremendous costs. Paradigm shifts in technology are never cheap until scaling.

          I think this comment is unfair toward @[email protected] and you should reflect a bit on why that is.