Have the great day you voted for West Virginians!

  • snooggums@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    They are grown adults so while being manipulated is certainly a problem they are still responsible for falling for it at the individual level. Like how crime is often the result of poverty and other stresses, but we still hold (most) individuals responsible for their actions.

    The community is entirely about mocking people who are facing the consequences of voting for those who make them suffer, in case you didn’t notice.

      • Pup Biru@aussie.zone
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        13 hours ago

        they mentioned nothing about prisons… they said we hold people responsible. the way we punish is beside the point

        the point is that if someone does something bad because they’re the product of a poor environment, we still consider them responsible for their actions

        • Mooseford@lemmy.today
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          6 hours ago

          Do you not see the inherent contradiction in that? Our system punishes people for being products of their environment interacting with their genes. Not reform, PUNISHMENT. Do you take away a child’s toys for getting sick?

          • Pup Biru@aussie.zone
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            2 hours ago

            holding people responsible doesn’t necessarily imply prison or punishment… sure the way we do it now is exactly that, but it doesn’t have to be… rehabilitation doesn’t have to be about punishing someone

            • Mooseford@lemmy.today
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              1 hour ago

              But if their actions are a direct result of their genes and environment, how is that something to be “responsible” for? Are you responsible for being born without legs? The punitive (fine people money they probably don’t have anyway) carceral (kick the can of building better conditions down the road for another generation to deal with) system was built primarily to oppress minorities anyhow, so why defend it? Toss it on the scrap heap of history and build something less horrific.