So when you’re trying to force me into ever smaller sub-discussions just to not have to give an answer, ignore any bit of information you can’t use in a retort, set up the strawman about “uncontrolled migration”, added the completely misguided landlord metaphor, or the misinfo about mining and recycling needed for renewables infrastructure – that was all in good faith?
We may have different definitions of “good”, I suppose.
“Completely misguided landlord metaphor”? I’m sorry, do you still not see the direct relevance of that? I very clearly and very slowly explained it to you. Please, explain to me why it is not relevant and is “bad faith”?
“Misinformation about mining and recycling needed for renewables”
What misinformation? You can’t just claim misinformation without ever even responding lol. What is “misinformation” about what I said? Do you think that the materials for solar panels and batteries grow on trees? Where do you think lithium comes from? Aluminium? Where do you think solar panels go when the cost to recycle them is literally higher than the cost to make a new one?
You can’t just go “misinformation!!!” and delete all my comments without even so much as showing or telling why something is supposedly misinformation lol. I mean you can because you are, but that’s weak AF and an abuse of your mod powers.
“Bad faith” doesn’t just mean “things I disagree with”.
Can you please actually provide some evidence for why those are “bad faith” arguments?
Not sure if serious but I posed the question right at the top. I posed it multiple times, I bolded it, I made you aware that I bolded it.
I’m sorry, do you still not see the direct relevance of that?
If you can’t see a difference between running a country and renting a house … Maybe have a think and you’ll find a myriad ways in which the situations don’t compare.
You can’t just claim misinformation without ever even responding lol
Of course I can. I don’t need to spend time writing up everything before I allow myself to think it. But here you go:
You compared the lifetime of a battery to the half-life of nuclear waste, which is dumb. You assumed that solar panels or batteries are unrecyclable, which is false. You conveniently omitted that uranium must be mined as well, which is kind of a relevant omission.
Sigh……so you still don’t get the rental example. I can’t possibly make it any simpler or clearer, but I’ll try……
Only let people in after you’ve determined they’re allowed in for good. Before you determine that they’re allowed in, they can wait where they are currently. Make sense?
I didn’t compare the lifetime of batteries to the half life of nuclear waste.
Solar panels are recyclable to an extent, not entirely, but what I said is that recycling them is cost prohibitive - which it is. It costs more to recycle them than it is worth. It is cheaper to simply buy a new panel, meaning the broken/old panels go to landfill unless someone likes losing money recycling them.
Batteries, the technology that we have now, is largely not recyclable - especially given most of the batteries are made in China from dozens of different brands, sold and installed by companies that have no way to recycle them even if they were 100% recyclable, which they’re not.
Uranium must be mined, of course, but mining 1 thing vs mining a dozen different things to make batteries and solar panels and transmission lines and wind turbines…….come on, surely you can see the difference? Do you even know how much concrete and steel is used for every single wind turbine that goes up? As time goes on we need more and more - power usage doesn’t go down - so the solar and wind farms just spread until there’s nowhere left to spread. Then what?
So when you’re trying to force me into ever smaller sub-discussions just to not have to give an answer, ignore any bit of information you can’t use in a retort, set up the strawman about “uncontrolled migration”, added the completely misguided landlord metaphor, or the misinfo about mining and recycling needed for renewables infrastructure – that was all in good faith?
We may have different definitions of “good”, I suppose.
Where have I not given an answer?
“Completely misguided landlord metaphor”? I’m sorry, do you still not see the direct relevance of that? I very clearly and very slowly explained it to you. Please, explain to me why it is not relevant and is “bad faith”?
“Misinformation about mining and recycling needed for renewables”
What misinformation? You can’t just claim misinformation without ever even responding lol. What is “misinformation” about what I said? Do you think that the materials for solar panels and batteries grow on trees? Where do you think lithium comes from? Aluminium? Where do you think solar panels go when the cost to recycle them is literally higher than the cost to make a new one?
You can’t just go “misinformation!!!” and delete all my comments without even so much as showing or telling why something is supposedly misinformation lol. I mean you can because you are, but that’s weak AF and an abuse of your mod powers.
“Bad faith” doesn’t just mean “things I disagree with”.
Can you please actually provide some evidence for why those are “bad faith” arguments?
Not sure if serious but I posed the question right at the top. I posed it multiple times, I bolded it, I made you aware that I bolded it.
If you can’t see a difference between running a country and renting a house … Maybe have a think and you’ll find a myriad ways in which the situations don’t compare.
Of course I can. I don’t need to spend time writing up everything before I allow myself to think it. But here you go:
You compared the lifetime of a battery to the half-life of nuclear waste, which is dumb. You assumed that solar panels or batteries are unrecyclable, which is false. You conveniently omitted that uranium must be mined as well, which is kind of a relevant omission.
Oh the ones that I answered last night?
Sigh……so you still don’t get the rental example. I can’t possibly make it any simpler or clearer, but I’ll try……
Only let people in after you’ve determined they’re allowed in for good. Before you determine that they’re allowed in, they can wait where they are currently. Make sense?
I didn’t compare the lifetime of batteries to the half life of nuclear waste.
Solar panels are recyclable to an extent, not entirely, but what I said is that recycling them is cost prohibitive - which it is. It costs more to recycle them than it is worth. It is cheaper to simply buy a new panel, meaning the broken/old panels go to landfill unless someone likes losing money recycling them.
Batteries, the technology that we have now, is largely not recyclable - especially given most of the batteries are made in China from dozens of different brands, sold and installed by companies that have no way to recycle them even if they were 100% recyclable, which they’re not.
Uranium must be mined, of course, but mining 1 thing vs mining a dozen different things to make batteries and solar panels and transmission lines and wind turbines…….come on, surely you can see the difference? Do you even know how much concrete and steel is used for every single wind turbine that goes up? As time goes on we need more and more - power usage doesn’t go down - so the solar and wind farms just spread until there’s nowhere left to spread. Then what?