So many incredibly stupid takes in comments. This is not a game. This is not a fucking Netflix special. The escalation ladder is so easy to go up, but so hard to climb down. This is a terrifying development.
This should be delivered to Putin, How exactly should the world deal with a fanatic armed with nukes?
You misspelled America
I won’t bother listing the countries the US has bombed invaded or overthrown governments in the last oh I dunno 100 years
Putin started this war tho. Didn’t he?
Maybe the US shouldn’t have made such an obvious and stupid choice to escalate the conflict by allowing Ukraine to use their weapons?
Maybe Iran and North Korea shouldn’t have made such an obvious and stupid choice to escalate the conflict by allowing Russia to use their weapons?
Iran and the DPRK are in no position to allow Russia to do anything.
North Korea could not have been forced to use their troops to attack Ukraine if Kim Jong Un did not want them too. Iran I’m guessing did not care which hospital their weapons landed in.
You people talk like you think you’re at the strategy table in game of thrones, and not one of us mud-covered peasants. I’m willing to bet you know less than nothing about the causes of this war and the dynamics between it’s participants.
Iran I’m guessing did not care which hospital their weapons landed in.
Naked projection, your side has been bombing hospitals for a year in Palestine and a century everywhere else.
North Korea could not have been forced to use their troops to attack Ukraine if Kim Jong Un did not want them too.
Truly brilliant. Also there is no evidence the DPRK is deploying troops to attack Ukraine.
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Regardless of this, I do not think we should escalate things with a nuclear power.
Serious question here, but how exactly do you think the world should deal with a dictator armed with nukes? Capitulate at every single threat?
I don’t know how the world should deal with Biden, truly. Russia is not the power that is issuing threats. NATO did exactly what they recognized for decades would push Russia to invade. Ask how Russia should deal with a foreign power covertly manipulating their neighbor’s politics to elevate Nazis who would go on to bomb Russian speakers.
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“NATO did exactly what they recognized for decades would push Russia to invade.” Which is nothing.
“Ask how Russia should deal with a foreign power covertly manipulating their neighbor’s politics to elevate Nazis who would go on to bomb Russian speakers.” LOL Now you are into delusional crackpot territory.
We should pick our battles. Do you want to get nuked for Ukraine of all places?
So your answer is to capitulate at every threat. Good going.
Your ideology has zero explanatory power in the real world. “Fanatic” means nothing now.
Thank you for proving their point.
lol
Bark bark bark
“Spokesperson, issue more empty threats! Surely this time they will finally take me seriously!”
You’d think the West would have taken it seriously after Crimea was annexed. But even after losing most of Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia, and Kherson, there are still imperial core labor aristocrat clowns like you, still failing to read the room.
What’s the room saying, comrade?
The room in which Russia is an unjust invading imperialist force. You agree, right?
Almost 25 years of that attitude from the US is how this war started in the first place[1], and now hundreds of thousands are dead or injured and millions are displaced.
You will find that the actual cause for the dead, injured, and displaced, is that Russia invaded Ukraine.
The simplest fix would be for the Russians to go home.
The more permanent fix would be for the Russians to go home, and have Vladimir Putin accidentally fall out of a window very high up. That would be reasonable, given how many men he basically threw into a meat grinder.
Every recrimination has an equal and opposite recrimination. In the end, we are where we are and every country chooses how to play their own hand by themselves.
Russian leadership knew what they were doing when they attacked a foreign sovereign country in an act overt aggression.
I’m sure there are plenty of rationalizations they tell themselves, but it’s not the US that “started this” in any meaningful way.
The war started because of Russia. It’s insane to state otherwise.
Nothing ever happens.
Completely unrelated question: how hard does one have to rattle a sabre before it snaps the blade?
So I commented this before, Russia spends the same amount on its nuclear arsenal as the UK, while claiming a far larger arsenal. Even accounting for differences in currency value (so cheaper labour) and assuming Russia has some magical efficiency gains in maintenance its still not enough to even come close to maintaining an arsenal that size. Nukes need the fissile material swapped out every couple of decades or they’re just really expensive dirty bombs.
This puts Russia in the position where if they launch a single nuke as a warning there’s a genuine chance that it might just fizzle, if that happens it would be crippling to their apperance as a nuclear armed state on the world stage, the embarassment of crossing the ultimate red line with nothing to show for it.
So i guess the answer is the sabre is pretty rusty and it might not snap when rattled but there is a chance it snaps when Putin goes in for a real stab.
China’sRussia’s Final Warningso brave
If all you had were regular warheads I’d be cheering on Americans playing chicken to their fucking grave but nuclear war would kill me too, get the fuck outta here with that.
At this point, death to America isn’t a radical slogan, it’s in self defense.
In a parallel universe, I would like to witness an official sarcastic response.
‘U.S. eager to witness Russia’s awesome destructive power in person after Oppenhiemer success. Government announces free UV glasses for safe viewing. Populace hopeful for a swift end to capitalism after nuclear winter’
Biden using his last few months to start ww3
If Russia starts nuking shit, wouldn’t Russia be starting ww3?
Or are we supposed to just accept the implication that only western countries have agency?
Do you understand how WWI became a world war? When two countries had a conflict between them, a network of alliances caused others countries to become parties to the conflict. That’s exactly what’s happening here.
The US, through NATO, was deploying lethal capabilities in Ukraine. Russia determined that this was strategically threatening its security, a position that it has held for 30 years and has been acknowledged by US leaders, diplomats, and generals, as well as world leaders and even the leaders of NATO. Russia launched a conflict with Ukraine, and Ukraine only, in order to address its security concern.
If the USA enters the war, unprovoked by Russia, then it would be the USA starting WW3, just like in WW1 a conflict between two countries expanded to include uninvolved parties when they made themselves involved. The problem with the ATACMS is that it requires US/NATO to operate. Within the borders of Ukraine, that means that US forces are killing Russian soldiers in Ukranian territory. While problematic, Russia has only escalated its rhetoric based on this involvement. However, if US/NATO troops were to use ATACMS to strike Russian targets on Russian territory, that would be an act of war against Russia which would require a response. In this way, the US would expanding the war beyond the conflict of Ukraine and Russia to now be Ukraine, Russia, and the US - an escalation to world war.
I doubt Russia will actually use nukes, what with MAD and all.
Then again, people said the same thing about the invasion. Russia doesn’t have a no-first-use nuclear weapons policy like the USSR did, so they could use them if they deem the country to be under existential threat.
This is clearly a response to the US allowing strikes inside Russia.
Interesting timing to do that when Ukraine, Germany and Russia have been gearing up to negotiate an end to the war next year. Wonder if this is to give the west more leverage in the negotiations or to escalate to give the republican admin next year a tougher time.
So you’re saying Russia has never struck inside Ukraine. Or somehow The US started the war in Ukraine.
Or is it just a freaking stupid idea that one nation can attack another. And expect them not to retaliate.
None of these are valid concepts. The reality is that Russia is in a conflict with Ukraine. Activating alliances brings those other countries into the conflict, which is exactly how WW1 became a world war. The USA has nothing to do with this conflict (except the entire casus belli, but let’s go with your position). If the US was neutral, Ukraine would lose and Russia and Ukraine would negotiate a security arrangement to prevent further conflict.
But the US has supplied Ukraine with the equivalent of the entire Russian military budget 3 years in a row. Ukraine keeps fighting exclusively because of US support. But, that has been limited to the borders of Ukraine, which creates sufficient ambiguity that only allows Russia to escalate rhetoric. As soon as the US’s involvement creates the conditions for strikes on Russian territory, now the USA is a participant in attacks against Russia, making it an escalatory move on the USA’s part. The USA could just stay out of it and this whole thing will resolve itself with far fewer deaths and far less destruction.
Accept, Russia broke international law when it attacked Ukraine. As it broke its own treaties to respect 1996 borders in exchange for Ukraine giving up its nukes.
So nope. Also, the only reason Ukraine is not a part of NATO. Is that same treaty where they agreed not to join.
So anyway, you try to argue this. If Russia is the first to launch nukes. They started WW3.
Uhh, that’s completely illogical. Yes, Russia broke international law by invading a country. That’s true. That does not give the USA the right to attack Russian territory. That’s not actually how international law works.
There are lots of reasons Ukraine isn’t part of NATO. The first one is that Ukraine made a political commitment with Russia to remain neutral. The second is that Russia made it clear that Ukrainian neutrality was to be respected by NATO allies. The third is that the USA knew how dangerous it would be to bring Ukraine in so they worked on every other former Soviet Republic first. The fourth is that the NATO allies don’t all agree on bringing Ukraine in. And the fifth is that NATO policy forbids admitting a country in an active border dispute.
You can say that nukes make it WW3, but that’s just vibes. World war is when a war between 2 countries expands to include more countries. Right now, the war is between Russia and Ukraine. If the USA gets involved, then the USA is escalating to world wars. Your vibes are not the standard.
The USA is an Allie of Ukraine. And was helping it fund its defence against Russia before their attack.
It’s like your bullshit about the start of the first world war. The UK had a treaty that Germany thought we would ignore. They were warned if they attacked the nation, we would defend them.
That is how international support works. When nations like Russia ignore internarial agreements they make, they threaten the whole world’s peace by making it clear their word is not to be trusted.
The whole fucking idea that Russia can attack its neighbours and the rest of the world must mind its own business is a fucking crap attempt to bully the world. Its no more than an attempt by a bully to gaslight the world and unworthy of consideration.
And before you bring it up. Yes, I know the US can be no better when it comes to being an international bully. Does not give Russia an excuse to ignore its own internatioal treaties and threaten the world.
Russia can fuck off with its definition of neutrality. Russia was absolutely fine when pre-maidan Ukrainian “government” wanted more integration with Russia. Russia’s neutrality definition is submission to Russia’s will. And BTW, NATO was never a goal until Ukraine got attacked. Ukraine wanted economic integration with west.
“That does not give the USA the right to attack Russian territory.” What? There is no chance of this… No one is even suggesting it. Seriously touch grass
Interesting timing to do that when Ukraine, Germany and Russia have been gearing up to negotiate an end to the war next year
Threatening nuclear war under these circumstances is definitely an interesting timing.
Behold the power of western intellect.
you’re such a braindead troll, it’s silly
I’d be so insulted if I had a shred of respect for you opinions
yet you still responded, good job
aww it’s so adorable that you think it was for your benefit
that thought didn’t even come by my mind, how rude
The favorite weapon of the westoid, acting like the biggest imbecile in the world and claiming history starts not when they choke you, but when you break their wrist so you can breathe.
Let’s take this metaphor at face value for a second.
What in the endless litany of grievances you call history could possibly justify pressing the launch button at this particular junction in time?
I’m serious, make the best possible case you can for Russia starting a nuclear war right now.
That the US is letting Ukraine use NATO missiles and guidance systems that could carry a nuclear warhead they’ve ALWAYS kept a doctrine of first use for. This new doctrine is still not as aggressive as the American one, and this was the entire reason for the conflict, NATO not pointing nuclear weapons at Russia minutes from Moscow. This latest attack was aiming for nuclear infrastructure. How much more provocative does it get?
Americans really need to shut the fuck up about Russia starting a nuclear war when they’re the ones instigating and funding conflict and blocking the peace talks Ukrainians want. When Iran gets tired of Israel and the US endlessly massacring civilians over there you chicken hawk libs are gonna pretend they developed nuclear weapons just to be mean.
You really really care about the Ukraine war? Get shipped there so they don’t have to kidnap citizens out of weddings to put them on the front line. Otherwise, shut up and stop trying to kill the rest of us with you.
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Russia is the victim in this situation, actually. Don’t you all get it? >:c
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Welp there goes my fucking sleep for tonight. I wish Washington and Langley alone would somehow disappear off the face of the earth and solve half the problems in the world overnight.
Why the fuck does the rest of the world have to risk a nuclear extinction (and a climate one, honestly) just because the US are too fucking stupid and greedy to let go of a single cent in the world.
This instance is hilarious.
Russia makes threats with nukes, because a country they attacked dares to defend itself
lemmy.ml: Why would the US do this?
The notion that Russia doesn’t need to invade or make nuclear threats is completely unthinkable around these parts.
If you just analyze the 1000 most recent posts on the local worldnews, it’s pretty openly a propaganda channel.
Fuck off, Americans might not have a working memory longer than the last headline, but I remember the US proudly supporting the maidan coup with congresspeople on the ground, and I remember the US sending billions in weapons, blocking peace talks that a majority of Ukrainians want (because it wOulD bE a cOnCesSiOn) and Biden authorizing the use of NATO weaponry and guidance systems, any of which could reasonably carry a nuclear warhead. Let’s not foeget the US is the only country to ever use them on people.
I’ve been told for a year that the traditional military operation Russia willingly engaged in was a colossal failure and Russia was bound to fall down at the slightest wind, on other threads you stupid gringos are going"lol he won’t do it let’s keep poking" and then you come on other threads to pretend history starts at the reply and not the provocation.
The rest of the world no longer buys the concern trolling from clueless (or outright malicious) gringos.
The US has done what it’s done for over a century, sabotage, start proxy wars and undermine democracy and when a country replies dumbass fucking libs will start crying about how that country is just being super aggressive for, like, just no reason 😢.
Why do you give Russia a free pass here? They are the ones threatening to use nuclear weapons. But somehow Washington is the bad guys. What a fucked up take.
OH WE’RE SO SCAREEEED
I wish they invented a nuclear weapon that only worked on the dumb mfs who think playing chicken with nuclear weapons is so cool.
I highly doubt Russia has any functioning nukes anyway. Even if they did, there’s no way they’d use them. You keep your fearmongering elsewhere
The country with the highest stockpile of nuclear weapons, with battle tested capabilities and the most advanced ICBMs in existence, you doubt they have nukes?
There’s drinking the Kool aid and there’s this. I’m legitimately amazed that some of you Americans can mouthbreathe and walk at the same time, and more amazed that half the voting population is even dumber than that.
If this stupid provocation only ended up with America in ashes you’d more than have it coming, but unfortunately we share a world and I’d like to keep living in it, not that y’all made it any better due to your absolute nonchalance about climate change.
Hey I have a question, what does Putin’s ass taste like?
Honestly I just find it laughable. 1, because there are more nuclear red lines behinds us than I care to count. And 2, if the last Russian missile test is anything to go by, I’m more worried about a giant chain reaction blowing up all of Russia.
Russia: if NOTICE ME SENPAI was a country.
I’m pretty sure they don’t care about being noticed, and would rather the US and the West fuck off entirely from affairs that don’t involve them.
Every affair involves the US 🇺🇸 Isn’t there somebody you forgot to ask?
