• Jesus@lemmy.world
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    13 days ago

    I’m over pointing fingers and playing holy than thou.

    The people who plan to build a Hungarian-style autocratic government are in power now, and they’re hoping the left is exhausted and tired of fighting this shit for a decade.

    This shit is going to be dangerous, and we’re going to have to motivate people to push back hard than even. Pointing fingers just divides us and makes us even weaker.

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      13 days ago

      That’s a bummer because progressives couldn’t be bothered to stop an erasure of minorities and lgbt alongside a subjugation of women.

      Quite simply, either you align with them or you can get fucked.

      At least that’s how it’s currently playing out.

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          12 days ago

          Shortsighted progressives decided that people they dont know halfway around the world were more important than their friends and family.

          Hope you can tell your wife/ girlfriend /sister you had the moral high ground when she’s declared property.

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            12 days ago

            I like how you immediately use whataboutisms instead of addressing the problem that is the genocide she was actively conducting.

            How about you start with why the genocide is a good thing and harris absolutely must not change her position instead of trying to guilt trip people. oh right… because genocides are actually horrible, and harris could have absolutely changed her position. oh well.

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              The DNC was most certainly not going to change their positions on the thing mentioned. Im not naive enough to believe abstaining or voting 3rd party would actively change anything for the better.

              In fact, doing those things absolutely made things worse.

              Again, congrats or your moral high ground. I hope youre lgbt friends are stoked lol

              A: “Hey, why didnt you help to stop the rising tide of erasure in the United States?”

              B: “People halfway around the world are more important to me than you are.”

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                You’ll note how you failed to even remotely answer the question i posed everyone:

                what prevented harris from shifting positions on gaza if it could have won her the election?

                Everything else in your post is the same nonsense you dweebs have been spewing for months.

                The DNC was most certainly not going to change their positions on the thing mentioned.

                Again why

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                  It doesn’t matter why, and frankly, it’s weird that you think i have inside knowledge of the DNC policy choices.

                  That was their policy choice, and they stuck to it.

                  I get it, genocide is absolutely terrible, and it shouldn’t be happening anywhere.

                  You decided that genocide of palestinian people is worse than the genocide of lgbt and minorities and the subgjugation of women in the United States.

                  The real question is: why did you decide that people you dont know were more important than people you do know?

                  I know what i chose. I chose to support the people around me - the people i love and care about.

                  You chose strangers over the people you care about.

                  I hope you can look at your lgbt friends and the women you care about in the face and tell them you care about them less than people you dont even fucking know.

                  You chose the worst of the options.

                  And weirdly enough, you are happy about it.

                  And this entire statement doesnt even bring into account that you essentially chose the option that will crank the wheel of genocide (you know, that thing you supposedly hate?) even further.

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                    12 days ago

                    It doesn’t matter why, and frankly, it’s weird that you think i have inside knowledge of the DNC policy choices.

                    I dont think you have insider knowledge. My point is you need to justify the position if you’re going to jump down peoples throats over it.

                    The real question is: why did you decide that people you dont know were more important than people you do know?

                    Who says I dont know any palestinian americans? And is this really the argument you want to make, that a candidate conducting mass murder is worth voting for? Who is next on your list of acceptable minority to genocide? blacks? latinos? asians? lgbt+? jews? christians?

                    I know what i chose. I chose to support the people around me - the people i love and care about.

                    and a bang up job you did! harris lost. you added your voice to the 70 million others saying ‘its okay if you genocide over there.’ congrats by attacking arab americans and their supporters you accomplished exactly nothing. You allowed harris to act and conduct herself like an absolute monster while thinking she could win thereby turning enough voters away from her campaign in absolute disgust that she lost.

                    If you wanted to protect people here, you need to actually protect people here. in this case the arab americans whos friends and family are being slaughtered for absolutely no reason. they have to live with the pain and suffering of the actions of harris and democrats like yourself.

                    You chose strangers over the people you care about.

                    incorrect. I chose to protect a group of people to grow the tent of mutual support thereby protecting all the wonderful groups you are going to attempt to throw in peoples faces. LGBT+ are less safe because of harris’ decision to disparage, ostracize, and murder a group of the american population making her unelectable by the left base. she did this because of your willingness to vote for her no matter what she does.

                    I hope you can look at your lgbt friends and the women you care about in the face and tell them you care about them less than people you dont even fucking know.

                    I did. they knew my vote for months. I warned them harris was going to lose over this. just as I warned all of you. funny thing is though. none of them will be less safe as a result of this in my area. why? because we believe in mutual aid.

                    A man literally offed himself over gaza and you thought that you can shame, threaten, and disparage people into supporting your candidate while she conducted and supported a genocide? rofl.

                    You are a disingenuous fuck for even suggesting you are right.

                    yup, absolutely, never do any self reflecting on how your and those like you actions completely disgusted an entire segment of the electorate enough for them to literally bend you over during an election. I’ve know for months trump was likely to win because biden/harris and those like yourself are absolute monsters who will parade around on their high fucking horse with a smile as it steps on the skulls of those beneath all the while saying ‘remember, I was willing to do this to them, pray you dont end up on the list’

                    First they came for the socialists, but I was not a socialist…

                    this mantra is about you. I suggest you study its historical importance.

                    Now again, I asked for people to give reasons why harris couldn’t shit her positions not a rehash of the same old tired arguments that clearly failed the first go around. and as you clearly demonstrated you where the reason. good day.

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          12 days ago

          “But mom! I got a gun for self defense, how was i supposed to know that you’d be declared property even though they were screaming it at the top of their lungs?”

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            12 days ago

            Its awesome that my post got removed because they can’t admit that they were DEAD WRONG TO HAVE BEEN CENSORING THOSE CALLING FOR ARMING UP FOR SELF-DEFENSE.

            FUCK YOU, MODS

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              12 days ago

              Arming for self defense wont matter when the women in your life aren’t legally allowed to have a bank account.

              It will be death by a thousand cuts, but at least you’ll have your guns?

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                12 days ago

                Whatcha gonna do about it? And what does “at least you’ll have your guns” mean? Explain.

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                  12 days ago

                  It means your guns won’t do shit when the law decides your mom is declared property.

                  The guns won’t change anything because the people making those laws not only have guns but also have the police, the legislative, the judiciary, the military and the executive branch.

                  Good luck fighting an apc full of military-decked police officers with your ar 15.

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                    12 days ago

                    Classic lib response, and still ignorant as fuck. On top of that it’s a classic case of pre-emptive compliance. See you in the boxcar.