Those people are responsible for the next administration (republicans) killing everyone in Gaza and Lebanon. And they just voted to fuck Taiwan & Hong Kong. You voted for death, congratulations.
Taiwan & Hong Kong
And Ukraine
plus females, LGBTQ+ and every child that dies from a childhood disease in the USA.
And atheists, Muslims, Jews, any non Christians really.
Americans forgot about Ukraine long ago
Not true, I just left it out as an oversight. Слава Україні!
You rolled over on your back and told the dems you’d vote for them no matter what while they were actively funding a genocide. It’s on you
Watch trump help netanyahu destroy gaza.
Perhaps saying that the Palestinians are all going to die either way wasn’t exactly a strong rallying call.
I’ve been watching Biden do it for a year, do you sincerely believe kamala would’ve stopped it? I don’t think you do
That’s bullshit. Trump is the president who took the us embassy out of tel aviv, into Jerusalem, at behest of a mega donor Christian nutbag that is trying to fast track the rapture. All because politicians are talking out of both sides of their mouths during an active hostage situation with a terrorist organization with ties to Lebanon and Iran? And DO NOT try to say I’m making excuses for Netyahu. I’m just asking you to grow up and look at the chessboard. Now its Trumps turn.
I hope you enjoy being right because the people you pretend to care about are in a much worse place you fucking empty headed dumb fuck.
You’re pants on head delusional if you think the democrats would lift a finger to protect anybody
Did you vote?
I sure did, psl
This is the thing. People can’t help but think of politics/any and all opinions as binary. “You’re either left or right! Republican or democrat! You voted for trump by not voting!”
Things don’t work that way. Nothing works that way. But it’s the only way things get discussed, so it’s the only way things are understood these days. The truth is some gray, four dimensional geometric shape. But it’s only discussed and understood as a straight line with black and white sides and you’re either on one side or the other. So dumb.
Both the Republican and Democrat candidate were and are in favor of violence in various places around the globe. Either person was a vote for death.
Actually, it’s very hard not to vote for death, because when you have wars that other people are fighting in other countries, you can’t just snap your fingers and have the death magically disappear. It just doesn’t work that way. That’s not to say that the president has no power, but the president certainly doesn’t have the power to guarantee that the death stops now.
Now if you want to make a statistical argument that Trump is likely to lead to more death than Harris, go for it. And maybe you can do a good job with that, but you’re starting off by trying to argue about speculative future death compared with actual past death. If you’re into statistics, I highly encourage you to crunch the numbers and then post your data here.
I’ve previously asked something similar in a different post like a week ago. Why do people keep referring to Hong Kong as a place the US could intervene?
Taiwan, I understand, the status there is unclear and the US sells weapons and provides other military aid.
Hong Kong though? What exactly are people imagining the US would do under any administration, when most countries have the One China Principle (including the US) as official foreign policy?
As much as the people of Hong Kong may or may not like it depending on their own views, basically no country has come out in support of any independence for the region. Like it or not, Hong Kong is part of China, and I don’t foresee any country seriously intervening in any way in China’s one country, now more like 1.5 systems, 2 systems arrangement.
Can someone explain this random talking point? I just don’t understand.
They’re all gonna evaporate into nothing. In fact they’ve already started to go. Some other pressing Internet topic will be the next topic du jour in the Moscow time zone.
You’re talking into the wind.
Ending international support for Ukraine is still a priority, so keep an eye on any issues related to Europe and movements that opposed Russia’s expansionist policies.
I mean it will probably begin with Trump halting us military aid to Ukraine and then immediately and forcibly setting up a trade route to purchase Russian natural resources at a dollar for a dime. And gas prices will drop in the US for a bit. And all Trump supporters, will go “see.” Because they are incredibly myopic and selfish. And then Trump will quickly drop out of nato because fascist natural resources are good so we join some axis powers. And at that point we might civil war and Balkanize. Or who knows. Whatever it is, the future level of human death and suffering has just massively increased.
I still have some hope for Ukraine. The military–industrial complex has to be more powerful than Trump and it will want the weapon shipments to go on.
Russian FSB agents who built strong fake online profiles to sow disorder are all shaking hands and celebrating now
Everybody has to lie in that bed, including people who didn’t vote because they don’t live in the US. Congratulations, guys, you did it.
The good news is that last time it pushed the world to try and distance itself from the USA and that will probably make then lose influence even more.
The alternatives don’t exactly look great, though. Geostrategically this is a massive win for Russia and China.
Europe has all it needs to become a plurinational super power, even without the few pro Russia States
Sure. But they’re just incapable of formulating any sort of strategy (and acting on it, of course). And fascism is very much on the march here too.
I’m not blaming any race, ethnicity, or culture. I’m blaming people who voted for Trump and people who didn’t vote. I’ll be getting T-shirts made that say, “Don’t blame me. I didn’t vote for the orange shitbag douche!” On the other hand, I live in a red state that went to Trump. I can’t help to think that since I don’t live in a battleground state, did my vote actually count or help since we still have the antiquated electoral college in play. I just hope we aren’t as f#cked as I think we are.
Our Dutch public broadcasting did a piece of how small the group that actually impact the selection actually is. It’s so mindboggingly small for a country which such an idiocratically large, worldwide impact.
A little over 30.000 Americans deciding the impact for the whole world (whose sheer reach I absolutely hate) was where they ended up on.
(source video, in Dutch)
In the Netherlands, a vote of mine and 69.000 others on one specific person means they’re in the (Dutch equivalent of the) House. This happens quite a lot more often than one would expect.
I can’t help to think that since I don’t live in a battleground state, did my vote actually count or help
Nope!
Not American, and I don’t think the democrats are as bad as republicans, but pretty sure that this bed was made by the people who simply wouldn’t take genocide out of their platform.
Yeah, 'cause Kamala Harris couldn’t possibly have moved away from Biden’s stand of actively and unwaveringly supporting ethno-Fascists committing a Genocide well on its way to Neue Holocaust.
Obviously it was totally, completely, utterly impossible for that one single person to change her stand on a subject that collided with powerfull principles many of her natural voters held (little things such as “thou shall not mass murder children”) so " logically" the blame is on everybody else for not supporting those who went against their principles, not in any way form or shape on Kamala Harris for persisting in supporting the mass murder of children.
You tribalist muppets really are mindless parrots when it comes to the actions of your “chief” even when they lead the tribe to defeat by a self-centered moron and all-around-creep like Trump - the blame is always somebody else’s never of your tribe’s leaders.
The funny bit (in a sad way rather than a " ah! ah!" way) is that if you muppets hadn’t spent the last year supporting the DNC even whilst they armed genociders and were their greatest cheerleaders, they might not have kept relying on the propaganda strategy (oh so very obvious here) of trying to retain leftwing votes by claiming that “not voting Democrat was voting for Trump” (which, lo and behold, failed) and would have been forced months ago to change their own stand on various subject including the Genocide (their last minute symbolic announcements of a handful of leftwing measures which they’ve had at least 4 years to pass - in some cases, they’ve had several presidential mandates and literally DECADES to fix them - was too little, too late, just talk and after they had already destroyed many people’s trust that they would genuinely try to deliver them).
Want to really save the Democrat Party: now is the time to push hard for its leadership to be held accountable and replace (no more “we’re in the middle of an election” excuse), and I mean the DNC, not just the current figurehead.
Doubling down on that “our leader’s actions are beyond challenge and any bad outcomes are always and entirely the fault of others for no supporting our tribe” crap is just pushing towards that in 4 years’ time the Democrat Party is still an unreformed pro-Genocide Hard Right anti-Democracy pro-Oligarchy party selling itself as the Lesser Evil rather than move leftwards in actual policies.
Should prolly find a new soap box to write walls of text about. The genocides you allegedly care so much about will now certainly come to an end, likely rather quickly. Buckle up. But hey, at least we showed her right?
I think you have Blue Maga Brain Rot.
For believing they’ll do what they said they would? Sure, I guess. It’s telling when insults are your only response.
No for voting for the people actively arming the genocide, and believing the arguement that Trump is going to genocide harder when democrats have already overseen the destruction of 80% of the buildings.
Almost all of the 2 million citizens have been displaced and are living in tents that have 2000lb Biden bombs dropped on them. Hundreds of thousands are casualities of this genocide.
Your vote told democrats that genocide is okay. It is not.
Maybe TDS democrats will actually fight against genocide now because Trump will be doing it. Instead of blaming arabs, muslims, and everyone else blame the DNC for the weakest candidate in history.
I don’t know, what’s happening in Israel right now is happening awfully fast. Is that what you meant? Maybe you were trying to take a dig at the previous commenter but I feel that the timing of reality has inconveniently interrupted you.
Also, it depends on the person, but a lot of veteran voters just don’t care about the candidate’s feelings. We are not trying to “show up” anyone. But maybe for you, that’s what elections are for? It’s a sad notion, isn’t it.
I’m speaking to the topic of the post, specifically to the deluge of posts and articles that dissuaded votes from Harris due to the Biden administration’s actions/inactions on the Gaza genocide. And while their glibness is noted, my point remains: the chosen alternative is going to be much, much worse. I hope I’m wrong. Time will tell.
And to the broader election. Of course this isn’t the only reason she lost, but it’s one of them.
Haha, democratic leadership doesn’t matter. The pubs are going to oust everyone that doesn’t agree with them politically, labelling them ‘the enemy from within’
Not a big Arab population in GA or PA. Let’s not blame MI and WI for the DNC running a second Biden term until the final hour and ratcheting right on everything.
Bullshit. It is white Americans who gave this to Trump. Your beef is with the whites. Leave minorities and people asking for the end to a fucking genocide alone.
Trump won the popular vote with Hispanics, especially Hispanic men. Black men went more for him too.
Racist shit like this is a huge problem, and it’s costing the Democrats a lot of votes. You’re not helping. If you think Trump only has white supporters then you’re living in a bubble.
I’ll divide people up by how they voted (an indication of their critical thinking skills and morals), not their skin color.
Unpopular opinion on lemmy, I know.
Right, it’s everyone else’s fault for caring about genocide.
I suppose we’ll see how the strategy of handing the election to the GOP works out in pretty short order - Netanyahu was certainly cheering about the election result.
I think you must have mistaken me for Kamala. Since she’s the one that bent over backwards for GOP moderates.
Yeah - playing GOP lite isn’t a winning strategy when the GOP is an option - who’da thunk it?
That doesn’t mean you get to claim to care about genocide while empowering the candidate that’ll massively accelerate it, stupid.
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Lol, Democrats will keep saying this even if they lost to a Baboon.
A shaved orangutan doesn’t count?
Maybe it should go out to whoever decided to skip the primary. That’s what changed my vote.
You’re a tool.
Skipping the primary, there was not enough time to mount a full, proper campaign.
How’d you think it’d go if weeks more were spent on a primary?
Face it, you took the fashy bait and fucked yourself.
Over 3 months of campaigning is more than enough in most of the western world. Some countries don’t even allow campaigning for that long. It’s a very American thing to think you need something like 6+ months to campaign. Also, not enough time for a full campaign but enough time to sit down with Liz Cheney? What do you think she would’ve done with the extra time when she’s already scraping the bottom of the barrel some republican voters?
How’d you think it’d go if weeks more were spent on a primary?
Looking at the polling data, even worse? Her approval skyrocketed because people thought (with the Walz VP pick) she might actually lean left, and then it tapered off when she started presenting herself as a moderate.
I think the democrats handled this hilariously badly, and I have almost zero insight into American politics aside from what gets regurgitated over internet news sources.
If a primary was held, whi the hell would the candidates even be?
It’s unfair of me to assume, but I do assume that the average American voter knows even less about American politics than I do.
Harris was at least known. Walz even lost his own state, for fuck’s sake.
What primary?
So do we. Nobody wins here.
That’s a nice red herring. I can’t think of a single person I ever heard say that. Oh, maybe those people exist somewhere, but zero in my life, including what I’ve seen on social media. Zero.
Isn’t that amazing?
Haha! Every single comment thread on lemmy was filled with people making the exact argument you now call a “red herring”. In fact, the only other major other type of commenter i see are people like YOU, the apologist Gaslighters busy telling us that what we are seeing with our own two eyes didn’t really happen.
Isn’t that amazing?
The entire dbzer0 instance is run by a guy who pushed that shit every day.
Linkerbaan is one of the noisiest posters on Lemmy, and just today, said more genocide is good, actually.
Half my blocklist is anti-electoral cranks who suddenly have nothing good to say about the obvious outcome when Americans snub the lesser evil. Surprise! It’s the greater evil.
I see Democrats are taking a page from the Pick Up Artists’ handbook and using vote negging now.
You might need to go ahead and join the dots on that one, champ.
They went from vote begging, to vote negging. It’s when you berate someone to manipulate them.
Pointing to the direct, incredibly predictable outcomes of someone’s actions is negging now? If you say so, champ.
You know what’s also predictable. Giving voters what they need and demand, then winning elections when they vote for you. I know crazy huh? But sometimes trying to intimidate and berate them doesn’t get them to do what you want.
Sure - you’d hope we’d have better option than “not openly fascist”, but we don’t. I agree - we should be fighting for better, but that’s for the other 1,458 days of the election cycle. Polling day is for keeping the fascists out of power to buy the time to win the fight for better.
‘When you don’t vote for us, the other guy wins.’
‘How DARE you!’
Shoo.
“but the Democrats didn’t court my vote!” Is literally the excuse in hearing. I didn’t think the Democrats would have to jump through hoops for leftists when they all saw the alternative. Instead of holding their nose and voting the lesser of two evils, they stood aside and let the fascists through. What’s worse is they’re now gloating and going “that’s what the Democrats get, but they won’t learn” not realizing that they’re the ones who are fucked, not the Democratic party. You fucked yourselves
Cut off your nose to spite your face is a great way of putting it
And as a person of color, I have never seen so much intolerance, hate and even racism from the left like I have this election. Wtf. Leftists calling each other Nazis cause they’re not left enough for each other, white kids calling people of color horrible slurs because they didn’t agree with the left agenda fully, or disagreed with them on one issue.
I used to think the far right was insane and the leftists reasonable, now I know they’re both toxic and stupid
Enough election of one side seeking destruction and the other not wanting to improve anything and eventually people will choose the destruction out of apathy.
Yeah I think it’s literally the jobs of a political party to court my vote instead of do nothing while using their enemy as a threat
I voted for Kamala, but this country is cooked and if you don’t want to be drafted or end up in a camp it’s time to leave now
Sorry friend, half those were bots the other half wanted this.
