Also, in b4 fascists start pretending like the Stalinist bootlicker Thalmann hadn’t spent the past half-decade backstabbing and burning bridges with the SPD, which had previously been cooperative with the KPD after the establishment of the Weimar Republic.

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    You know that the people saying that the democratic party has to earn their vote are for a large portion muslims who can not vote for a party that will continue funding a genocide right?

    Oh, cool, so doing that is going to reduce US support for the ongoing genocide, right?

    … right…?

    I find it appalling that instead of calling the people who are currently funding the genocide fascist, you are actually calling those people that are protesting against the genocide fascist.

    Cool. I find it appalling that choosing to usher in fascists who will do everything in their power to assist the genocide is considered a morally acceptable choice by some people.

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      Protestation and striking is the only way to achieve goals that are against the interests of the ruling class. You are trying to shame the only people actually doing anything worthwhile. Electorialism is meaningless compared to protestation.

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        Protestation and striking is the only way to achieve goals that are against the interests of the ruling class. You are trying to shame the only people actually doing anything worthwhile. Electorialism is meaningless compared to protestation.

        Oh, cool, so we’re in agreement, then, that the people saying stuff like “The Democrats have to EARN my vote against fascism!” are actually disingenuous accelerationists doing the old conservative routine of “Meet me in the middle” with no intention of ever actually cooperating or improving anyone’s life.

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          I find it wild that you take that conclusion from what I said. The largest portion of Palestine protesters care about one thing, which is the quickest end to the ongoing genocide possible. In the US that means getting the government to stop funding said genocide. The means through which to do that are protesting and striking. Is there anything in this that screams accelerationist to you? I’m just telling you that most anti genocide protesters will not vote for the democratic party. However, those protesters are doing much more for Palestine than you are. So calling them fascist is indeed appalling.

          Palestinians have fought this battle for decades. They are experienced with tactics to support their cause. They are not asking for you to vote, they are asking for you to organise your workplace to make sure that ties with Israel are being cut, and they are asking you to get on the streets to demand your government to stop supporting genocide. These are tactics that have historically been effective on this issue and other similar issues.

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            I find it wild that you take that conclusion from what I said.

            Electorialism is meaningless compared to protestation.

            Would you like to re-read the first line of the meme, or are you just spouting off without regard to what the topic actually is?

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              Are you reading my actual words or are you just spewing nonsense with intent? Recognising that electorialism is not as effective as protestation does not mean support for accelerationism. It just means that the people protesting on the streets are doing more good than a dem voter and therefore it is completely backwards to call them fascists.

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                It just means that the people protesting on the streets are doing more good than a dem voter

                If all they manage to is change the current administration’s policy by protesting on the streets without ensuring that the current fascist threat doesn’t worm its way back into power, they’ve done a great deal less good than those of us involved in electoral politics working to actually block the fascist who jerks off to genocide and will have immense power to hurry it along.

                I have nothing but respect for pro-Palestine protesters who understand the power they wield as citizens and voters. I don’t have any respect for pro-Palestine protesters who think that allowing fascism to win is in any way kosher.

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                  If you actually spend that much time and energy in trying to get the democrats to win the election (I’m not counting online arguments), then I’d say your energy is better spent on protesting the system that is forcing people to choose between two fascist candidates. Because the people currently holding their dem votes because of the genocide are not changing their minds. It is part of being human to not vote for genocide, and forcing people to get rid of that humanity will mean a bleak future for the US in which nothing is too far or too much, as long as there is a scarier alternative.

                  I would say that if you see better chances in people changing their minds on voting for genocide than forcing the dems to adjust their policies then you are already in the scenario that is your nightmare, and that you should do everything to make sure that there comes an end to the vicious electoral system that forces the US into more right extremism every few years. Harris is supporting Trump by continuing the lies about the dangers of immigration and the need for such a rigid border control that it strips the humanity from everyone affected and forces children to be kept from their parents. How far will the dems move right next election if they win again? And how far right after that? They have already proven that they would rather fund genocide than getting a significant part of their voterbase back, which possibly means allowing Trump to win. They have shown time and time again that they do not actually fear a Trump win, or they would have adopted more popular positions (which are often leftist!).

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                    This election is two choices. You either get athlete’s foot or terminal cancer. If you don’t choose, you get terminal cancer. If you protest because athlete’s foot is still bad, you get terminal cancer. Make your choice accordingly.