So the orange site is having a normal one over Python BFDL trying to skirt CoC by talking about mod actions against some old dude who caught a suspension for being precisely the sort of edgelord poaster I’d expect out of a Python maintainer, which the orange site was also not happy about. I even read a bunch of his posts in the thread, like where he calls people standing up to NixOS leadership “true villains”.
These are not “Python community guidelines”. These are the guidelines of a tyrannical clique who have grabbed power and control the access to the infrastructure.
Lmao, fucking armchair revolutionaries at it again with interpreting a list of rules which essentially boils down to “don’t be an asshole” as the literal end of civilization because it’s attacking their assumed right to use slurs and insults free speech.
Makes you think that it’s always the same kind of people who seem to have a problem with not being a racist twat in a public space. Feels like I’ve seen similar discussions a dozen times in the Rust community too whenever the term inclusivity comes up.
I wanted to torture myself so I looked into that person’s posting history. They have made the exact same point that “Monty Python in fact used to mock the gays, how ironic huh?!?” three times in a row in different threads, really showing it to them wokes
I prefer the Jimmy Wales version of authority. The project operates democratically, but Jimmy always retains the ultimate authority to act as a sovereign at the end of the day because he built it, has the reputation of the project to protect, and it’s his legacy. The option to fork the project will always be there if the people want new leadership.
Setting aside the blithe just-fork-it-ism and the insult to the people who actually write the articles… Isn’t Wales just one of a dozen people on the Wikimedia Foundation board of trustees now?
oh my god, that weird fash fucker is absolutely pulling a NixOS and trying to burn down the Python community over a well-deserved 3 month suspension
and the only reason I know about this shit even though I’m barely involved with Python in any regard is because one of his fans/alts was spamming mastodon with a blog post defending him, and fully half of it by scroll bar position was just fluffing the fucker’s previous achievements, then at almost exactly the halfway point it started describing all the shit he did and hoo boy does he deserve a lot more than a 3 month suspension
it’s fascinating how this is almost exactly the same situation as with what’s-his-face getting suspended from Nix and the project’s older maintainers pulling ranks to get the toxic fucker back
Dang it, am I going to have to learn a new programming language after 24 years of getting things done in Python because the edgelords are indulging in a fit of pique?
god I hope Python of all things has enough eyes on it that this throw yourself on the ground in agonizing pain and flood the community with a bunch of fash assholes because you got a 3-month suspension shit won’t work, but I’m still astonished it works at all given how obvious it is when it happens
it probably isn’t exactly where it started as the entire thing’s in bad faith, but I’ve found the blog post being spammed absolutely everywhere at the time that went into excruciating detail on tim’s history with python then tried its best (and absolutely failed) to paper over and misrepresent the shit Tim did that got him temporarily ejected
e: my strong personal impression is that Tim’s just been like this for 30 years, and nobody managed to call him out before cause he’s the Timsort guy and open source projects always seem to think technical achievement should absolve you of all the other shit you do, regardless of how much that shit damages the project technically
it’s remarkable that the post spends so many paragraphs priming the reader into thinking Tim’s an irreplaceable part of the Python community and should never have been suspended, and now at least two people have gotten to that exact sentence and gone “no actually fuck Tim”
if memory serves, it gets much more mask off from there, but I remember I didn’t finish the entire thing before I closed the tab and started blocking Tim’s fans
Actually reading the python discussion boards, what’s striking is the immense volume of chatter produced by Tim, always in couched in:
“Hypothetically”
“Everyone tells me they are terrified of inclusivity, you wouldn’t know because they are terrified of admitting it to YOU”
“I’m not saying that you are an awful person 😉” (YMMV: But I find his use of the winking face emoji truly egregious)
“Hey I’m liberal like you, let me explain everything wrong with it”
“Hey we were inclusive before any of this PC bullshit” proceeds to use unpleasant descriptors of marginalized individuals, and how very welcome they were, despite what he seems to see as “shortcomings”
In his heart he must understand how bad he his, or he wouldn’t couch his discourse in so much bad faith, and he wouldn’t make so much of a stink out of making removing Python Fellow status more easy to remove.
this guy was IIRC also furiously defending the totally not nazis at Nix
still this post is a glorious example of a defense brief that would work even better for the prosecution
i did stumble over a worse one just now: a guy banned from the Mesa community for being a Nazi defends himself by saying he only said that:
if I run a discord server around cultivating tomatoes, I should not exclude people based on their political beliefs, unless they use my discord server to spread those views. which means even if they are literally adolf hitler, I shouldn’t care, as long as they don’t post about gassing people on my server
that is inclusivity
and writing a prosecution brief about himself in his defense
Yes, you unfortunately are seeing right. A person (name of whom I will censor even though you can find their name easily by going to the issue page) went onto the Hyprland bug tracker, to call me, a Nazi.
ah, this is the part of the Wayland community that’s now notorious for being a Nazi bar, specifically because their discord and every other community space did in fact have a gigantic number of nazis (some of whom were moderators) “joking” about, among other things, gassing people
e: (and also just a fuckton of outright bigotry, see Drew’s posts on this for a sample of what I mean)
a guy banned from the Mesa community for being a Nazi
lol I learned about this the other day when marcan posted about it, and I had a good giggle
iirc: poor l’il fashbaby has some kind of problems with his thing, but he can’t turn anywhere because the linux graphics community is kinda small and enough people went “lol get fucked” that it effectively closed doors everywhere
So the orange site is having a normal one over Python BFDL trying to skirt CoC by talking about mod actions against some old dude who caught a suspension for being precisely the sort of edgelord poaster I’d expect out of a Python maintainer, which the orange site was also not happy about. I even read a bunch of his posts in the thread, like where he calls people standing up to NixOS leadership “true villains”.
Lmao, fucking armchair revolutionaries at it again with interpreting a list of rules which essentially boils down to “don’t be an asshole” as the literal end of civilization because it’s attacking their
assumed right to use slurs and insultsfree speech.Makes you think that it’s always the same kind of people who seem to have a problem with not being a racist twat in a public space. Feels like I’ve seen similar discussions a dozen times in the Rust community too whenever the term inclusivity comes up.
NO? Really?! Educate me, hackernews!
condescending Wonka.jpgI wanted to torture myself so I looked into that person’s posting history. They have made the exact same point that “Monty Python in fact used to mock the gays, how ironic huh?!?” three times in a row in different threads, really showing it to them wokes
But does he know that one of the Pythons was a member of the UK Gay Liberation Front?
Graham Chapman was, ironically enough, impeccable as the straight man of the group.
Setting aside the blithe just-fork-it-ism and the insult to the people who actually write the articles… Isn’t Wales just one of a dozen people on the Wikimedia Foundation board of trustees now?
also, isn’t this congruent to how Iran works?
Ayatollah Jimmy has some zazz, admittedly
oh my god, that weird fash fucker is absolutely pulling a NixOS and trying to burn down the Python community over a well-deserved 3 month suspension
and the only reason I know about this shit even though I’m barely involved with Python in any regard is because one of his fans/alts was spamming mastodon with a blog post defending him, and fully half of it by scroll bar position was just fluffing the fucker’s previous achievements, then at almost exactly the halfway point it started describing all the shit he did and hoo boy does he deserve a lot more than a 3 month suspension
it’s fascinating how this is almost exactly the same situation as with what’s-his-face getting suspended from Nix and the project’s older maintainers pulling ranks to get the toxic fucker back
Dang it, am I going to have to learn a new programming language after 24 years of getting things done in Python because the edgelords are indulging in a fit of pique?
god I hope Python of all things has enough eyes on it that this throw yourself on the ground in agonizing pain and flood the community with a bunch of fash assholes because you got a 3-month suspension shit won’t work, but I’m still astonished it works at all given how obvious it is when it happens
So it’s entirely unclear from that HN thread, but where did this dumbassery start?
it probably isn’t exactly where it started as the entire thing’s in bad faith, but I’ve found the blog post being spammed absolutely everywhere at the time that went into excruciating detail on tim’s history with python then tried its best (and absolutely failed) to paper over and misrepresent the shit Tim did that got him temporarily ejected
e: my strong personal impression is that Tim’s just been like this for 30 years, and nobody managed to call him out before cause he’s the Timsort guy and open source projects always seem to think technical achievement should absolve you of all the other shit you do, regardless of how much that shit damages the project technically
lol yeah this was the line at which the post revealed its entire ass
it’s remarkable that the post spends so many paragraphs priming the reader into thinking Tim’s an irreplaceable part of the Python community and should never have been suspended, and now at least two people have gotten to that exact sentence and gone “no actually fuck Tim”
if memory serves, it gets much more mask off from there, but I remember I didn’t finish the entire thing before I closed the tab and started blocking Tim’s fans
Actually reading the python discussion boards, what’s striking is the immense volume of chatter produced by Tim, always in couched in:
In his heart he must understand how bad he his, or he wouldn’t couch his discourse in so much bad faith, and he wouldn’t make so much of a stink out of making removing Python Fellow status more easy to remove.
this guy was IIRC also furiously defending the totally not nazis at Nix
still this post is a glorious example of a defense brief that would work even better for the prosecution
i did stumble over a worse one just now: a guy banned from the Mesa community for being a Nazi defends himself by saying he only said that:
and writing a prosecution brief about himself in his defense
ah, this is the part of the Wayland community that’s now notorious for being a Nazi bar, specifically because their discord and every other community space did in fact have a gigantic number of nazis (some of whom were moderators) “joking” about, among other things, gassing people
e: (and also just a fuckton of outright bigotry, see Drew’s posts on this for a sample of what I mean)
here’s Drew Devault’s take on that blog post and also his first blog post that covered the ways in which Hyprland is a Nazi bar
lol I learned about this the other day when marcan posted about it, and I had a good giggle
iirc: poor l’il fashbaby has some kind of problems with his thing, but he can’t turn anywhere because the linux graphics community is kinda small and enough people went “lol get fucked” that it effectively closed doors everywhere
the world’s smallest violin, etc etc
wayland, right, but it’s for urbit