• sir_pronoun@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    I am still surprised by how people get (understandably) outraged at the IDF online but seem to forget that Hamas took those hostages in the first place. A lot of this bloodshed could be stopped right now if Hamas released them.

    Sure, the Israeli government is fucking insane, but there are two sides fighting this war.

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      6 months ago

      Also the IDF was fired upon when they raided. That makes this just war. Hamas chose the war zone.

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        6 months ago

        Also the IDF Hamas was fired upon when they raided in October. That makes this just war. Hamas Israel chose the war zone.

        Swap the word Hamas with israel every time you think there’s a great argument to post. Helps to avoid advocating for the murder of civilians like some crazy extremist.

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          6 months ago

          An extremist would say that this can’t end until one side kills the other, so might as well get it over with.

          I don’t believe that. I think as humans we have an obligation to try for peace without murdering half a million people. Unlike most people here, I want to believe that someday both sides can find a way to peace.

          But if you insist that one side is good and one side is bad, then this can’t end well.

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            6 months ago

            I would argue that one side is fighting to achieve peace while the other side is fighting for the destruction of a population and the annexation of their land.

            Remind me again who is rejecting the ceasefire offers.

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              6 months ago

              I would argue that one side is fighting to achieve peace

              Hilarious. Which side is that?

              (The second part I won’t argue. The inevitable annexation is deplorable.)

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                6 months ago

                Hamas is has laid out a very clear and peace plan and has even agreed to a 2 state solution.

                Objectively looking at the situation one cannot say that there are two sides which do not want peace.

                Only one side does not want peace, and that is israel.

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                  6 months ago

                  If Hamas hasn’t given up their hostages, they must not be that interested in peace.

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                    6 months ago

                    Israel said they will not stop the Genocide nor release the Palestinian hostages if Hamas releases their hostages. So not sure what you are talking about.

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      6 months ago

      You seem to forget that israel took hostages in the first place and the reason Hamas kidnapped people is literally to swap them for the hostages kidnapped by israel.

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        6 months ago

        That’s my point here, blaming just one side makes no sense. Both sides have been committing atrocities for decades.

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          Yet one side is trying to reach a peaceful solution. Hamas.

          You can be mad about Hamas using violence but we have left them no other option.

          In the West Bank israel is committing Genocide as well. And those people have been trying the peaceful way for decades. And we do not condemn israel for doing so. In fact we keep supporting them and sending them the weapons to commit Genocide and help colonists annex more land.

          Israel has made it extremely clear that they will never agree to a peaceful resolution unless they are forced into it. Both with words as with actions, they verbatimly state that they will never agree to let Palestinians have a state.

          So no, there is no both sides. There is one side constantly punching the other and the only reason the other side hits back is because it wants the israeli side to stop hitting them.