• Glent@lemmy.ca
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    5 months ago

    Im gonna guess a big reason crime is way down is legalization of pot. Cops favorite excuse for harassing anyone who didnt “look right” was pot. They need a new victimless “crime” to satiate the shareholders of private prisons.

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      Crime has been trending downwards for decades now. We had a bump around the pandemic for fairly obvious reasons, but it’s been back to trending downwards again.

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          https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/24/what-the-data-says-about-crime-in-the-us/

          The FBI data also shows a 59% reduction in the U.S. property crime rate between 1993 and 2022, with big declines in the rates of burglary (-75%), larceny/theft (-54%) and motor vehicle theft (-53%).

          Using the BJS statistics, the declines in the violent and property crime rates are even steeper than those captured in the FBI data. Per BJS, the U.S. violent and property crime rates each fell 71% between 1993 and 2022.

          And an NPR article on the same topic:

          https://text.npr.org/2024/02/12/1229891045/police-crime-baltimore-san-francisco-minneapolis-murder-statistics

          But in 2023, crime in America looked very different.

          “At some point in 2022 — at the end of 2022 or through 2023 — there was just a tipping point where violence started to fall and it just continued to fall,” said Jeff Asher, a crime analyst and co-founder of AH Datalytics.

          In cities big and small, from both coasts, violence has dropped.

          “The national picture shows that murder is falling. We have data from over 200 cities showing a 12.2% decline … in 2023 relative to 2022,” Asher said, citing his own analysis of public data. He found instances of rape, robbery and aggravated assault were all down too.

          Yet when you ask people about crime in the country, the perception is it’s getting a lot worse.

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    I remember talk about banning for profit prisons about a decade or so ago. It didn’t last long. This is one of the things we should be fighting tooth and nail for. Locking people in cages so the rich can get richer is disgusting.

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      making government incentives align with the good of their population is the best way to make sure government does their job

      prison should be a loss for all, and therefor everyone should want to reduce people in prison. you can’t do that by simply not having prisons, so you need to address root causes

      everyone should be healthy. ensuring that governments pay for the eventual health issues ensures they setup preventative programs that help people to stay healthy for their entire lives (alternatively the dark side of this is, for example, smokers die early and therefor cost less because the government doesn’t have to pay for care for as many elderly people for as long so where’s the incentive to support quit programmes?)

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    Even before you get to lobbying to criminalize things that shouldn’t be crimes, the fact that anyone pretends to expect for-profit prisons to rehabilitate any criminal is so idiotic.

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    I don’t know that ‘one of the main reasons’ is fair. For profit prisons are vile cruelty-factories and have pull with lawmakers, but they hold less than 10% of incarcerated individuals. It’s a reason, sure. But a main reason?

    I think there are two obviously larger reasons:

    1. There are more homeless people and homeowners see them. If you’re a local politician, you can get very far by promising voters that they won’t have to see homeless people. Here in “oregon, tolerant oregon” (to quote jello biafra) this is the most common sentiment to hear, and is reflected in policy.

    2. Growing resource pressure leads to a rise in ‘punching down’. As climate crisis, imperial turmoil and the rich taking ever more resources fuel poverty and scarcity, the social pressure to distinguish yourself from those further down the social ladder increases. Hating the weak identifies you as strong, which grows in value as more and more insecurity plagues our society.

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    5 months ago

    Standing still for too long? Go to jail for loitering.

    Crossing the street? Go to jail for jaywalking?

    Existing next to a cop? Arrested for resisting arrest, straight to jail.

    Have any money on you? Money is arrested for looking suspicious.

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    Crime might be down, but homelessness is way up, or it at least feels that way. They’re everywhere these days, even in my sleepy suburb, loitering in parks and sleeping in public greenways, destroying the vegetation and often leaving piles of trash behind.

    No, I’m not arguing they deserve to go to jail for that, but you have to agree that it’s difficult having empathy for people who keep turning every inch of public property into an eyesore. But I don’t think the problem will ever be solved by fingerpointing, because that’s just passing the blame around, which ultimately helps no one.

    I think there needs to be a bigger discussion about what can be done to help these people regain a sense of purpose in life. It seems to me that most of them are simply severely disillusioned or even repulsed by how our current society works – go to work, pay your bills, rinse and repeat until you reach retirement age. They got tired of the rat race and the constant pressure to perform and are simply choosing to live a primitivist lifestyle instead, but without having any higher goals or ideals to strive for, it’s inevitable that they’re going to sink back into the mud.

    Human beings need to have a sense of purpose, they need to feel useful and appreciated in some way in order to keep making an effort day after day. It’s not enough to house them and feed them because without purpose, most of them will still end up turning to alcohol and drugs simply in an effort to pass the time.

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      We really need UBI. If people just had enough money to live without NEEDING to work these people would be able to live relatively (compared to how they’re living now) comfortable lives without making public spaces awful.

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      Kinda like we need to change how society works and have public lands and more dignity and space for not being Capitalist.

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        Giving them public lands unfortunately doesn’t solve anything. They did try that my city, and the result was that this land has basically turned into a huge garbage dump.

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          did your town actually do anything for them or just say “hey fuck you go to this hill and stay there”

          like did they follow any of the recommendations scientists make or even make one effort to do it correctly? having studied this for years, the answer is usually no

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      Yeah that’s real fucked up, my buddy’s cousin is going away for 5 years and I calculated that on the lowest end, he’d probably be paying at least $73,000 by the time he leaves

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    Wait, what? Shut up, stop looking at that, go have more kids. We need more cattle.

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    I don’t know. I’d bet you going to jail as a homeless person would be a step up, as they’d have a guaranteed bed, shower, and 3 meals a day. No, criminalizing acts of being homeless is more about punishing them for their existence, and making their lives more miserable; not better.

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      Not all homeless people are jobless and may have been displaced for one reason or another. Jailing them ensures they won’t have a job and can’t get one in the future

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        And nearly all states have pay-to-stay policies that deplete their resources for securing housing when they are released

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      Well, except for locking them in a place with actual violent criminals… and violent prison guards. Jail is a pretty fucked up place, even if you get 3 hots and a cot.

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        Last I heard from a recent release from my state, they get an individual cereal at 7 and a bologna sandwich at 3.

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      Jails are dehumanizing and horrible places. I would rather starve than live in jail.

      Not to mention how having a criminal record pretty much destroys any hope of ever getting out of homelessness. Nobody will hire you, nobody will rent to you.