Here is my controversial take: if it is true that a cat needs to be let outdoors unsupervised in order to live a happy life full of enrichment, then we should not have pet cats at all.

TW: Discussions of animal death.

Letting a cat wander outside unsupervised is cruel both to local wildlife, but also cruel to the cat.

Letting cats outside is often introducing a non-native species to an ecosystem which has not evolved to deal with cats. How is it any different to us accidentally introducing invasive rats, weasels, and other small predatory mammals into ecosystems? We invest a lot of money into ridding sensitive ecosystems of these invasive species but we turn a blind eye to cats because we selfishly benefit from them being around us, whether it’s because we find them cute or because they provide a practical use for us as mousers.

I’m fed up of my neighbours cats who visit my garden. They poop in my planters where I grow vegetables that I eat, which presents a serious health risk to me. The cats predate the birds who visit my garden, which has exclusively been successful on fledglings and other young birds. So far, it has not been a species that is vulnerable and it’s only common garden birds, but cats will kill indiscriminately and I have heard many horror stories of endangered birds being predated by cats owned by friends-of-friends.

A pigeon couple has been building a nest in a tree in my garden, but this morning I saw it was predated. I found a chewed open egg, and when showing a photo to my ornithologist friend she theorizes it was most likely a cat as the puncture into the egg shell will have been cleaner if it had been a predatory bird. Predation is a natural part of life, but this predation was not by a natural predator which is part of our local ecosystem and thus I am very upset…

But not only that, I believe letting a cat go outdoors unsupervised is cruel to the cat. Cats so often go missing, more often than not killed by cars. In other countries there are dangerous animals who can kill cats. This is not an issue here but I have personally had to dispose of dead cats who turn up in my garden after being run over on the road in front of my house. I don’t think there is any other common pet animal where we so easily expose them to dangers we cannot protect them from.

Just to say, I do not hate cats. I do not blame the cats for pooping in my vegetable beds, or hunting on my property. They are animals only doing what their instincts dictate, and often are doing what we ourselves have taught them when we first domesticated them. Equally, to a degree I struggle to blame some cat owners as people will often argue that keeping a cat inside is cruel, and they do not desire to be cruel to their cats. The intentions are good, and education on this matter is poor.

There is an issue here which needs to be discussed, and the hypocracies we have normalized need to be challenged. For me, I feel that cats either need to be kept indoors if we can verify that this is not cruel to the cat, or we should be required to supervise our cats outdoors like we are supposed to do with dogs, or we should stop having pet cats. Having unsupervised outdoor cats is unacceptable.

Edit: Grammar and adding a TW just to be safe!

  • argv_minus_one@beehaw.org
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    Here is my controversial take: if it is true that a cat needs to be let outdoors unsupervised in order to live a happy life full of enrichment, then we should not have pet cats at all.

    So, what do you propose to do with all the cats that currently exist? Abandon them to fend for themselves? That would result in them being…outdoors, exactly like what you’re complaining about. Kill them all? That’s cruel, too. And unlike wild animals, cats trust us as their protectors and caretakers, so killing them would also be a betrayal.

    It’s way too late to make the argument you’re making. All that can be done at this point is to sterilize them all, which is already in progress.

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            The offered justification for that claim is preposterous. The same reasoning could be used to justify locking children in the house 24/7 as well, and I certainly hope you agree that that would be unquestionably cruel.

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              You can’t compare animals and humans, though. I know we love our pets like children but that’s just not how this works. A lot of work has been put into the behavioral science of enriching an indoor cat’s environment but for some reason it gets entirely disregarded when it comes to the idea that your cat doesn’t belong outside.

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                You can’t compare animals and humans, though.

                I can, just did, and will continue to do so. Humans aren’t magical.

                A lot of work has been put into the behavioral science of enriching an indoor cat’s environment but for some reason it gets entirely disregarded when it comes to the idea that your cat doesn’t belong outside.

                Even more work has been put into entertaining humans at home, and it’s still considered a poor substitute for outdoor activities.

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          It isn’t. Two cats, both happily exist inside and have no need or want to go outside.

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              They don’t. The only argument for outside cats is Europe. And even then its loose.

              Its irresponsible, unneeded and a menace to the environment. No amount of bells will change it. Not to mention I’d get crucified for letting my dog piss, shit and terrorise your cats in your yard. Why are people insane enough to let the opposite occur.

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        We keep all our current cats indoors

        That’s cruel, as you yourself have already mentioned.

        stop breeding domestic cats…

        Since when were people intentionally breeding domestic cats?

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          That’s cruel, as you yourself have already mentioned.

          I do not personally believe that it is. But let’s say that it is… if keeping cats indoors is cruel and keeping cats outdoors is cruel then I think we have no other option but to try and pick the lesser evil? I believe keeping cats indoors would be the lesser evil, but of course I’d believe that since I don’t think keeping cats indoors is cruel in the first place…

          Since when were people intentionally breeding domestic cats?

          … at catteries?

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            But let’s say that it is… if keeping cats indoors is cruel and keeping cats outdoors is cruel

            Letting cats outdoors is risky, not cruel. Not the same thing.

            then I think we have no other option but to try and pick the lesser evil?

            Indeed. Letting them out appears to be the lesser evil, as it involves a mere chance of the cat suffering, instead of a complete certainty.

            … at catteries?

            I see. Well, that needs to be illegal yesterday.

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              Letting cats outdoors is risky, not cruel. Not the same thing.

              I personally would not be comfortable subjecting any animal under my care to risks that I could prevent. But again, this argument comes from my belief that keeping cats indoors is not cruel… but if keeping cats indoors is in fact cruel then I wouldn’t want to have a pet cat at all in the first place. I would not be comfortable subjecting it to the risks that letting it roam outside unsupervised brought. Which I suppose is the point of my original post: if the only option to allow cats to roam around unsupervised then I believe we should not own cats at all.

              Indeed. Letting them out appears to be the lesser evil, as it involves a mere chance of the cat suffering, instead of a complete certainty.

              There’s a couple of factors to consider when weighing up the lesser evil in this hypothetical situation beyond the cats wellbeing, such as the impact on the local native wildlife. But this could start going into a wildly different argument because I would argue above all as an environmentalist that causing as little damage to nature as possible is of utmost importance. Can we calculate the risk of causing serious irreversible damage to local ecosystems by letting all domestic cats roam outdoors at once?

              So, basically, the choice is between lettings cats suffer in the short term or letting prey animals suffer in the short term (and possibly the environment as a whole long term)? Honestly… this is not a question I feel comfortable answering, personally, because I do not want to support the idea of anything suffering.

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                I personally would not be comfortable subjecting any animal under my care to risks that I could prevent.

                That’s basically helicopter parenting for cats. Yeah, they’ll be safe, but they also won’t live fulfilling lives.

                I would argue above all as an environmentalist that causing as little damage to nature as possible is of utmost importance.

                I do not want to support the idea of anything suffering.

                As long as you still live, that’s exactly what you’re doing: causing suffering. There is no way for the existence of humans, or life forms in general, to be completely harmless. All life is harmful to other life, by competing over scarce resources if not outright predation. There is no escape; the universe strictly forbids true harmony among the living.

                That is the sad conclusion I came to after many years struggling with ideas like yours. That’s why I’ve given up on them. My only hope now is that the afterlife, if it exists, is better. In the mean time, the best I can do is to minimize the amount of life I create, meaning no having children, no breeding pets, and no creating artificial intelligence.

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          Cat breeders are a successful business. But they’re not the people who care about cat or other animal wellbeing.