Yeah my faith in our justice system has gotten to the point that I can only see one of two potential outcomes realistically happening with Trump’s crimes:
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No justice. We’ll dance to this song till the day he succumbs to his decades-long hamburder induced suicide.
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Vigilante justice. Collectively we don’t appear to have the spine for this kind of intervention, but even if we’re talking about the one-in-a-million lone wolf type of incident, we have over 300 one-in-a-millions in the US population to choose from, so I’m honestly kinda surprised we don’t see this kind of shit more often. (to be clear, this is an assessment, not a recommendation)
What do you mean by “gotten”? US has forever favored the rich white people.
like geez, take a look into your history? Segregation was fine till 60-70s. Killing people in mass abroad is okay and war crimes praised and criminals elected presidents. Funding genocide? bipartisan thumbs up.
Fuck your “justice system”
Most of us don’t see that shit growing up. We’re indoctrinated through our entire childhood, then slow-crash as we see example after example of a “broken” system… then finally accept that it’s not broken, it’s working as intended: it’s evil.
Others of us become Republicans and keep America delusional again! 💨
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…my mixed race kid was a suicide risk…
Ummm what? Can you elaborate on this further I don’t think I’ve heard this one before.
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That’s a horrible story. I had an aquaintance tell me when I was early 20s that when I had kids they wouldn’t be as valuable as our friends kids. Why? Because our friends kids are white.
And, at least in the US, that piece of shit wasn’t wrong, but I didn’t need to hear that.
Did he say valuable, or valued?
Also why do you not need to hear that? Are you planning to ignore the challenges your kids will face? Like … what the fuck is with these parents cutting people out of their lives when they deliver bad news about their kids’ environment?
If someone came to me and said “Hey there’s a coyote outside tonight so don’t let your kids out”, and I said “Well maybe that’s true but I don’t need to hear that shit” then cut them out of my life, I’d see myself as having failed as a parent right there.
Your job is to keep your eyes open, not take steps to purge unpleasant information from your life. I’d be disgusted if you didn’t have kids, but since you adopted the responsibility of having kids and are taking this comfort-over-awareness policy, it’s appalling.
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I mean, I would fucking hope I misread your story, but you did tell this story. Here’s how I interpreted it:
He tried to convince me
I read this as one night in the kitchen with you two having beers at your place, and he says this. Maybe I assumed that wrong? Was it a whole series of conversations, or was it one conversation? If it was a whole series, that’s worse on his part
that my decision to miscegenate was bad for the “white” race
I honestly think this question is key: was it he who brought up the terms “miscagenate” and “the white race” (those three words in that sequence)?
If he used those specific terms it makes him sound more generally racist. But if you’re introducing them for flavor in the story, that speaks to me of a pattern of amplifying your “he’s racist” interpretation in your own mind.
because of a study he’d allegedly read
Why allegedly? You suspect he made it up out of whole cloth? Or did you suspect he only read about the study but not the contents of the study itself?
of wherein mixed race people were found to have a higher risk of suicide.
This, to me, sounds an attempt to be helpful.
He said this to a friend of over two decades, as calmly and confidently as if he’d told me yesterday’s weather,
I read this as if he’s not presenting uncertainty, but rather certainty, but he’s only read one study and doesn’t have actual expertise, right?
What exactly did he apply this confidence to? Did he confidently say: “I read a study that said X” or “I know that X” or what exactly?
and apparently expected me to react to this as it it were helpful information.
This is the part that made my blood boil. A parent who doesn’t consider a reported threat to their child, even an uncertain or hypothetical one, to be helpful information just freaks me the fuck out. What?
So, I cut him out of my life,
I read this as you cut him out of your life after two instance of him talking about this study: once to you and once to your mutual friend.
If you did that, after twenty years of friendship, that’s fucked up.
he stalked me
Excellent reason to avoid him. But again I don’t know if I trust your judgment yet.
It seems (unless there’s a lot left out and not even mentioned as ommitted) that one mention of a study involving varying risks to varying racial groups was enough for you to deem him a racist. I guess I misread that? There was more racist stuff he was doing too?
and I fled the country with my wife and toddler in tow
So either you fled the country because of this guy, or you did it for a much larger set of reasons, and you just included that fact to set the overall emotional tone of your family’s story around the same time as the end of that friendship?
All this with the backdrop of a global pandemic and an active insurrection against democracy.
Sorry if I sound too analytical here, but reference to a “backdrop” really makes it sound like you interpreted this guy’s fumbling attempt to help as a plot line in a much larger story about cutting ties and pulling stakes and going on a big journey.
There is a gigantic difference between “there’s a dangerous animal outside that you can do something about.” And “your kid isn’t white (absolutely nothing you can do about that) so their life might suck more.”
One of those you can actually do something about, the other is just “sucks to not be white.” It’s pretty much useless negativity.
I didn’t need to hear it because I lived it and already knew the reality for non white kids growing up here. I didn’t need a middle aged white man telling me how it is. And I’d rather cut someone like that out of my life for myself, my kids weren’t born then, and they aren’t going to hear that story.
Your coyote analogy is flawed. This wasn’t an immediate threat that I ignored.
I know what my job is as a parent, probably better than you do.
Someone correctly indicating that mixed race children have lower standards of living in racist countries such as the United States is not someone who should be shunned
The less “white” someone is, the more likely it is for them to experience negative social, economic, and medical outcomes; this is because the United States is a racist country that intentionally disregards people of color.
I’m not sure why it’s improper for a friend to acknowledge that unfortunate truth. It’s reality, and clearly you agree with its conclusions on some level if you left the country yourself
Oh look, another tantalising opportunity to relive my worst memories. Thanks buddy.
You’re being a crybully about telling a story that doesn’t make sense
You seemed to have missed
bad for the “white” race
which implies that the mixed race kid is dragging down whites
If you are an idiot or a cunt now is the time to assure us it isn’t both.
If you are an idiot or a cunt now is the time to assure us it isn’t both.
Is this allowed under the rules of moderation?
Regardless, obviously talking about a white race is a concerning thing to do. But the rest of the conversation did not appear racist at all.
In racist countries such as the United States, a mixed race child will have worse outcomes than a “White” child. Which seems to be what this former friend was saying. Idk why that’s so wrong - it’s literally a progressive talking point since 2014, and, really, since the 1960s and the Civil Rights Movement
Alright it is both.
The comments were not in the interest of helping the child. The comments were in the interest of criticising the parent, for having a family with a person they love.
You are arguing that a person’s lived experiences are akchually different from what his perception was. There was no constructive or uplifting discussion following the factoid being shared. If the “friend” was telling him that some principal went to a cross burning, or some boyscout group leader has SS tattoos, that would have been useful and actionable for the parents. But he didn’t. The advice was, you shouldn’t have done that. Some cunt advice from a supposed “friend”.
If you still don’t see the problem, you are a dumb cunt, and sympathizer for racists. Go choke on something rusty you dumb cunt.
Rates of suicide are higher in mixed race kids.
What kind of elaboration are you looking for?
So let’s go over this interaction you’re having here:
• This person described a traumatic life event wherein they are given unbidden “advice” that pretty obviously comes from a place of outright racism, no matter how you wanna dog-whistle it.
• You started giving them the exact same unbidden advice.
Do you not feel comically villainous? This is clearly not the time nor the place for this shit, anyone with basic empathy would know that. You’re going way the fuck out of your way just to be an asshole, it’s such a sad way to spend your time.
Someone correctly indicating that mixed race children have lower standards of living in racist countries such as the United States is not someone who should be shunned
If that were the whole of the situation you might have a point, but you miss out on most nuance and context when you boil it down to “someone who does X is good”
A racist saying that a mixed race child will experience more hardship than a “White” child is just as correct as a NAACP spokesperson saying the same thing. This country is structurally racist, which has real consequences for everyone according to their skin color and ability to pass as “White.”
Given that, idk what the friend did wrong - aside from apparently talking about “The White Race,” which is always a weird thing to do, of course
The gap in support for violence between the right and the left is smaller, but when it comes to actual acts of violence it is indeed mainly a right-wing problem.
Who the hell wants violence?
Wanting violence and preparing for its inevitability are two very different things.
So if I’m understanding this right:
- He was the perfect intersectional candidate to assassinate your political enemies
- But then he discovered 4chan, and switched to giving you extremely valuable warnings about pitfalls your child’s life will contain
- Which upset your creamy sweet comfort bubble
- So you labeled him a racist and purged him from your life
He deserves better friends than you.
Go fuck yourself
You’re not “understanding this right”, but you seem to be enjoying yourself so who am I to judge.
discovered 4chan, and switched to giving you extremely valuable warnings about pitfalls your child’s life will contain
That’s certainly one take, not one that I would’ve reached but it’s definitely a take.
US justice depends on what is in your bank account.
Or in Trump’s case, what he pretended was in his bank account, and how fast he can commit more crimes to actually find that money
Now there’s a fresh take
I’ve been saying from the start that the prosecution is dragging their feet, hoping he either dies or becomes president, so they don’t have to be the ones who established precedent of their social class facing justice.
I think you just got put on a list
Almost! You can imagine how frustrated my FBI agent must have been when he got to that disclaimer at the end of the post!
Yeah, there was that one unhinged moron who actually found Nancy pelosi’s husband and attacked him with a hammer. As unhinged as that dude was, I liked that. It made me wonder why if this moron can do that, why aren’t the elites constantly getting attacked in the streets.
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Trump: I’ll need you to get aaa-all the way off of my back about this.
Judge: Oh, okay, lemme get off of that freakin’ dorsal region.A rigged justice system is TIGHT!
We’ll see the year of the Linux desktop before seeing justice for him.
Good thing Wayland is finally displacing X11, open source Nvidia drivers are actually getting good, the Cosmic desktop is coming, and usershare is increasing then.
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Oh good I hear that’s this year!!!
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Good Christ we’ve been dealing with this for 7 years
Seven? The election cycle was in full swing in ‘15 and that guy has been screaming and flailing about Obama and anyone standing a centimeter to the left of Nixon for years before that
I’ve lost track of time/sanity
Fair, we all have
“Actually, it’s going to be super easy, barely an inconvenience!”
“Oh really?!”
“Yeah, so he has the backing of the entire Republican Party, so that basically gives him a pass to do pretty much whatever he wants, forever.”
It’s almost like the deep state is on his side
Deep state = billionaires with undeniable bribe money.
"Hmm, now which would be more advantageous to my position as someone who unfairly exploits the labour of the masses to amass himself literally billions of times more wealth than said exploited masses; a bankrupt fraudster rapist in legal trouble or someone who isn’t that? "
Its fucking crazy the US sort of considers itself a bastion of democracy while not even having direct presidential elections.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_electoral_systems_by_country
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College
So even that was a projection?
Next it turns out he is really a lizard and has space lasers.
Or they are over selling how much trouble he is in. Or some combination thereof.
October 1, 2016.
Yeap.
Actually it was super easy, barely an inconvenience.
Oh really?!
“This is the year guys! This is the year when we put a US President in jail!”
I mean…depending on who wins it might be
winner becomes president
loser does 6 months house arrest
The winner is the 1%.
The loser is the working class.
Always has been.
He still has to pay it. He’s been offered a bond which is typical and a small percentage of the total owed paid immediately to prevent further punitive action.
There’s literally an industry for it (bail bonds) though arguably there shouldn’t be.
Bail bonds are an entirely different thing from appeal bonds.
Same basic system, pay small for now lose appeal pay all.
And I’m case you didn’t know there’s an industry around “court bonds” as well.
Trepan me
Can’t catch an oiled pig
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The source is here hasn’t paid yet. Normally i would dismiss that as a piss poor argument but until i see a headline saying he paid anything, I’m sticking to that. His legacy is literally not paying. Bills, consequences, fines ,Congressionally approved funds… you name it.
Yeah I thought it was about the bond being cut not the actual penalty, or did is miss(understand) something?
This allows him to keep it dragging it out in the courts for years without having to pay the full penalty.
And he only really needs 6 months for the Russian and Saudi money to buy out his shares of Truth Social stock.
Only eight months left for him to win the election and he pardons himself from everything
Or it makes it so someone doesn’t have to pay a full penalty before due process for something that is basically guaranteed to loose on appeal in the long run. Apparently civil rights matter until it’s one of your enemies.
He had his due process and his day in Court. He was found guilty. Multiple times.
Everyone has to pay the penalty ahead of a appeal.
He’ll get that money back if he wins his appeal, which it’s extremely unlikely that he will, but in the meantime the courts must begin collecting it so that the people of New York can be reimbursed for Trumps decades of fraud as soon as the case is closed.
Do they also cut the bond on normal people because they don’t want to pay?
If it is a poor then New York will hold them without trial for three years on suspicion of stealing a backpack.
The NYPD is awful, New York spent millions of dollars funding police to stop turn stile jumpers on the NYC metro…which was costing the metro a mere fraction of what the NYPD spent to try to stop it.
This is what success looks like in a neoliberal hellscape where people pretend to be progressive while letting conservatives move the goalposts wherever the hell they want.
Yes, if you argue it successfully.
The people mad about this are almost certainly ignorant of the legal system.
still true somehow.
I mean, did you ever really expect that he would pay it? If so, stop hitting yourself. He’s never going to face any real consequences. Ever.
i dunno, it’s just that when he successfully got arrested it gave me hope
I’m glad someone still has hope. Keep that fire burning.
