Candidate 2: I’m going to give guns and money to the person killing ponies but tell them they shouldn’t do it.
Leftist: Either way ponies are going to be killed. Let’s try something different.
Centrist: Noooo, you have to vote for the proxy pony killer who can’t use his position to do anything or else you’ll get a pony killer in power who’ll use his position to do everything.
Do y’all just, sincerely not understand what “lesser evil” means? Yes, the lesser evil is still bad. We know. That’s what “evil” means. Both options suck, one sucks measurably more, so you choose the one that is less bad.
None of these “Both sides!” Leftists ever seem to offer specific or workable alternatives. It’s always something vague like “Have our voices be heard, take back the country from the oligarchs!” And I feel that, but like, how? What specific candidate or action is going to prevent both from winning?
I’m going to stop helping a different pony farmer from their neighbor who’s actively killing their staff and stealing their ponies, and says they’re entitled to their neighbor’s ponies and to kill their neighbors because they can, and no one can stop them.
I’m also going to withdraw from the neighborhood watch and patrol, and defund all pony riding training, also remove individual rights to enjoy the pony-verse as you’d desire, so you can only enjoy it my way (which is predisposed to enrich me at your expense).
I also endorse other bullying neighbors to take what they want, instead of defending our sovereignty on our own pony farms. And I absolutely support the full capitalization of the pony-verse, to include up to 80% of your visual range being adds (before inducing seizures), and then* due to my sponsors’ demands I also will require you to pray to either me or Pony-Jesus only.
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So, yeah. Let’s accept that both candidates aren’t perfect but one is a fucking monster and hates ponies.
Edit: it appears the person I replied to edited his comment to add more nuance.
My comment still stands, the nuance here is actively shooting yourself in the foot, stripping yourself of your own rights, and voting for the downfall of democracy world wide or voting for a guy that is playing by the rules and trying bolster democracy while trying to use democracy, working together with the parties you’ve been given regardless of their beliefs, to better everyone as a whole. Sure, single issue this, or single issue that. But, holy fuck you can’t both sides this. One is actively tearing down democracy, drinking and selling the Russian propaganda to their people and stripping you of your rights.
Not voting IS empowering the fascist, and that’s the point. They’re actively promoting disenfranchisement AND using propaganda to turn you away from voting for their enemy, because they know the progressive wing has the power if they unite and denounce the* lies for what they are.
You said it so perfectly and I never realized it. “If you elect our guy, he won’t be able to do anything, but at least it’s better than if you elect the other guy. If you elect the other guy, somehow he’ll be able to do everything he wants. But vote for our impotent guy instead. It’s safe!”
One follows the rules, and the other often doesn’t even think there are rules. The difference there isn’t hard to suss out. It’s like that joke about playing chess with a pigeon.
Because not thinking there are rules into adulthood is a pretty self-absorbed trait, which usually doesn’t go along with things like empathy and compassion.
A socialist with that same attitude towards rules, norms, and civility would be the ideal option. That isn’t possible under our system. However, a fascist with those views is possible.
And the neoliberal erosion of living standards will just make the fascists more appealing to normal people. So if the fascists don’t win in 2024 then they’ll win in the near future unless we have a massive expansion of the welfare state that helps median Americans, not just the incredibly poor
You literally can’t try something different, in this election. It’s physically impossible. Leftists should be channeling this energy to the next election, and building a viable candidate that truly meets their needs.
Candidate 2: I’m going to give guns and money to the person killing ponies but tell them they shouldn’t do it.
Leftist: Either way ponies are going to be killed. Let’s try something different.
Centrist: Noooo, you have to vote for the proxy pony killer who can’t use his position to do anything or else you’ll get a pony killer in power who’ll use his position to do everything.
“Something different” here meaning “handing over the position to the worse of the two options”.
Acting like Candidate 1 won’t do the same and worse
Acting like candidate 2 is at all a good option either.
Would you rather get stabbed in the finger or stabbed in the eye?
I’d rather stab the person trying to stab me anywhere.
You’re getting stabbed whatever happens.
Would you rather get stabbed in the finger or stabbed in the eye?
The third option is to reject the United States and replace it with something that isn’t an oligarchy
So, the eye
Neither.
There is always other options, you just have to take them.
There aren’t. There are only two possible outcomes.
Stabbed in the finger or stabbed in the eye?
lmao
Have fun losing more rights instead of compromising on Biden becsuse he isn’t 100% perfect.
Have fun refusing to admit Biden is flawed.
Surely the status quo is the solution to stopping Trump and the growing threat of the right.
Do y’all just, sincerely not understand what “lesser evil” means? Yes, the lesser evil is still bad. We know. That’s what “evil” means. Both options suck, one sucks measurably more, so you choose the one that is less bad.
None of these “Both sides!” Leftists ever seem to offer specific or workable alternatives. It’s always something vague like “Have our voices be heard, take back the country from the oligarchs!” And I feel that, but like, how? What specific candidate or action is going to prevent both from winning?
Or candidate 1:
I’m going to stop helping a different pony farmer from their neighbor who’s actively killing their staff and stealing their ponies, and says they’re entitled to their neighbor’s ponies and to kill their neighbors because they can, and no one can stop them.
I’m also going to withdraw from the neighborhood watch and patrol, and defund all pony riding training, also remove individual rights to enjoy the pony-verse as you’d desire, so you can only enjoy it my way (which is predisposed to enrich me at your expense).
I also endorse other bullying neighbors to take what they want, instead of defending our sovereignty on our own pony farms. And I absolutely support the full capitalization of the pony-verse, to include up to 80% of your visual range being adds (before inducing seizures), and then* due to my sponsors’ demands I also will require you to pray to either me or Pony-Jesus only.
//
So, yeah. Let’s accept that both candidates aren’t perfect but one is a fucking monster and hates ponies.
Edit: it appears the person I replied to edited his comment to add more nuance.
My comment still stands, the nuance here is actively shooting yourself in the foot, stripping yourself of your own rights, and voting for the downfall of democracy world wide or voting for a guy that is playing by the rules and trying bolster democracy while trying to use democracy, working together with the parties you’ve been given regardless of their beliefs, to better everyone as a whole. Sure, single issue this, or single issue that. But, holy fuck you can’t both sides this. One is actively tearing down democracy, drinking and selling the Russian propaganda to their people and stripping you of your rights.
Not voting IS empowering the fascist, and that’s the point. They’re actively promoting disenfranchisement AND using propaganda to turn you away from voting for their enemy, because they know the progressive wing has the power if they unite and denounce the* lies for what they are.
/endrant
You said it so perfectly and I never realized it. “If you elect our guy, he won’t be able to do anything, but at least it’s better than if you elect the other guy. If you elect the other guy, somehow he’ll be able to do everything he wants. But vote for our impotent guy instead. It’s safe!”
Um what?
One follows the rules, and the other often doesn’t even think there are rules. The difference there isn’t hard to suss out. It’s like that joke about playing chess with a pigeon.
I want a guy who doesn’t think there are rules, and will protect ponies. Why isn’t that a possibility
Because not thinking there are rules into adulthood is a pretty self-absorbed trait, which usually doesn’t go along with things like empathy and compassion.
There aren’t rules. Trump is proof of that
A socialist with that same attitude towards rules, norms, and civility would be the ideal option. That isn’t possible under our system. However, a fascist with those views is possible.
And the neoliberal erosion of living standards will just make the fascists more appealing to normal people. So if the fascists don’t win in 2024 then they’ll win in the near future unless we have a massive expansion of the welfare state that helps median Americans, not just the incredibly poor
You literally can’t try something different, in this election. It’s physically impossible. Leftists should be channeling this energy to the next election, and building a viable candidate that truly meets their needs.