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This has real Seinfeld vibes…
Friends literally had an episode like this.
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On the flip side, transplant given to person who follows medical advice
She did several people a solid over the course of her senseless battle for the hill that she died on.
Bet she wasn’t an organ doner though.
You didn’t want those organs anyway. Lotta diseases in there
Good thing I’ve gotten the vaccines for all of them
Trusts doctors enough to be cut open and have someone elses organ inserted into their body. Doesn’t trust doctors enough to get vaccinated
The comment below by @nomadjoanne is incorrect, since a COVID-19 infection has a higher risk for myocarditis than what the vaccine can cause. However, I’m choosing to keep it up because there are a lot of comments afterwards outlining WHY it is incorrect, and that’s helpful for dealing with the disinformation.
I’m open to reviewing this again if people think it should be removed anyway
The vaccine was clearly rushed into production and saved a lot of vulnerable people’s lives. That does not mean it does not have risks that, for younger and healthier people, those might outweigh the benefits.
But public hysteria and groupthink dictated that it had to be coerced on people.
The vaccine underwent the exact same rigorous testing that literally every other vaccine or medication gets. The only difference is that COVID vaccines were given a free pass to the front of the line at each step necessary. As well, due to them having a much shorter timeline and higher competition, it was economical to run multiple tests in parallel that would normally have been done in series.
It wasn’t “rushed” as in sloppy, it was “rushed” in that it was given priority in the various governmental queues.
Perhaps, now that the vaccine has been around for years and there’s plenty of data on its efficacy and risks, you might cite some of those risks? Because the data I’ve seen shows that infection is still much worse for your health than vaccination, regardless of whether or not you are “young and healthier.” I would be very interested to see what data you have that shows otherwise. I quite like being proven wrong.
That does not mean it does not have risks that
The benefits outweigh the risks, even in the young and healthy, so the vaccines are recommended to everyone.
The vaccine went so fast because most of the part was already known and they had solution for other covid variants. They only needed to adapt it to attack the correct part of this covid 19 virus. It wasn’t a new study. It wasn’t rushed. And this person wasn’t healthy but terminal. Healthy, lol.
I don’t understand this logic. It had to be quickly developed because the entire world population was affected by COVID. We’re talking about millions of deaths. Economies halted, everything literally went stand still and you expected the vaccine to take 3 years to develop?
I’m sure it might have sounded scary to have medicine developed so rapidly but I don’t think you realize the scale at how it was developed because so many countries and companies dumped a ton of money researching a cure out the door as fast as possible.
Sure there are side-effects but in that case the side effects were worth having versus the deaths of high risk individuals.
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Sure there are side-effects but in that case the side effects were worth having versus millions of deaths
I mean, one of the most commonly mentioned side effects was something that happened in a much more serious form with a real COVID infection. It’s the easiest way to meet antivaxxers in the middle if they’re arguing in good faith. Even if there’s a significant side effect of myocarditis, it’s not nearly as common or heavy as the myocarditis die effect of an actual infection.
As I recall, all the side effects of the Covid vaccines are side effects present with other vaccines, and they are all auto-immune responses. You are at a much much greater risk of all of those if you actually caught Covid.
I suppose there is a bit of calculus involved. If you are 100 times more likely to suffer from Guillain–Barré syndrome or myocarditis if you catch a disease, but the disease is exceptionally rare, it might not make sense to get a vaccine. In Covid’s case though, a substantial amount of the general population caught Covid, meaning that the overall risk was substantially reduced by being vaccinated.
Some people just seem to have trouble with risks and percentages; shades of grey rather than black or white. Getting vaccinated isnt 100% the right call, it’s only 99.99+% the right call. Ironic that the same people were totally cool with a 0.5% of Covid killing them, never mind all the other severe side effects. You were asking them to make a choice between 99.99% fine vs. 90% fine or 99.9999+% non-lethal and 99.5% non-lethal. You look at the relative risks though and the vaccine was thousands of times more safe than catching Covid unvaccinated.
Any sort of medical treatment has side effects. For instance I got diabetes, you know what the side effects of using Insulin is? Death. Do you know what the side effects of untreated diabetes is? Death. Do you know what the side effect of life is? Eventually death. We are all going to get there someday, but I mean might as well stretch it out as long as possible, way I see it. There’s so much I want to see, after all. Are the Leafs ever going to win the cup? Am I ever going to see retirement? Do I ever get my Corvette? This lady in the story is never going to have any of those answers, because they were too worried about side effects.
That’s what I don’t get about these people barking about the side effects, I mean it might kill you or make you stupid, sure (I mean it’s possible, but highly unlikely). But so can falling out of bed in the morning. Or you know, COVID or whatever other disease you are trying to prevent. Was it raced out? I mean, sure. But pandemics, you know? Not a lot of time on anyones hands. And I’d say they’ve been pretty god damn effective. Like they bitch about shutting things down and the economy and mAH freedumbs, but then they bitch about racing out the vaccines, it’s like shit, what can we do to make you folks happy here?
because the entire world population was dying from COVID
Okay I’m no anti vaxxer but this is just going to get you laughed at by the people you’re trying to convince.
About 1% was at risk of death, and that’s no small number, and we all had to get vaccinated to protect them, and that’s fine. But outright stating the entire world population was dying is just laughable sensationalism.
If you want to convince people, you’re never going to do it with sensationalism, especially when that sensationalism is so dramatic is flat out wrong.
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This is an oft quoted anti-vax meme and has no connection to reality.
Here is the truth.
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It was overwhelming hospitals, which means people with other problems were dying, because ambulances were not getting to them, surgeries had to be postponed. If all your firefighters are sick, more people will die in fires and accidents. If a high number of people in a society get sick that society is breaking. No law enforcement, no health care, no working government, no grocery store.
You are one of the people that complain when action is taken and works that that action wasn’t needed because it wasn’t that bad and when no action is taken how bad the government is. And Covid wasn’t at all the worst it could have been. There will be a next virus in the future and people like you will not have learned anything from this one and drive us into an even worse crisis, just by being stubborn.
Best counter point is y2k.
Huge publicity. Massive amounts of money spent.
New year 1999/2000 was uneventful (except for parties).
… Y2k was a hoax, waste of money… Wut?!It wasn’t. There’s is proof of such. It was removed/mitigated by a huge effort of developers.
“We spent millions of dollars and a year preparing and NOTHING HAPPENED! All that time and money wasted!”
You are one of the people that complain when action is taken and works that that action wasn’t needed because it wasn’t that bad and when no action is taken how bad the government is.
Yup, that’s basically the entirety of the whole anti-vax thing in one sentence. Vaccines have been so effective at eradicating so many diseases people don’t have a concept of have deadly diseases can be and can’t grasp why getting a vaccine is so important to protect them from disease.
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Stop watching the news man. None of what you said actually happened.
It did not happen because most people stayed at home, were wearing a mask, followed social distancing rules, were working from home, kept their children at home, washed their hands and got the vaccine when it was available. Again, it did not happen because we stopped it from happening and now you go “it wasn’t that bad” ignoring the billions of people who stopped it from getting that bad.
It’s like “seatbelts are against my freedom” and when everyone wears one to go “look people don’t die in car crashs that proofs seatbelts are unnecessary and only made up by the news” when the reason for them not dying is that they wear a seatbelt.
The vaccine, a mysterious injection that was forced on the population, created by big pharma who has a repuation for dishonesty for decades. Comparing this to seatbelts is a horrible comparision. Seatbelts BTW are straps you wear to ensure you do not go flying out the wind shield during a car crash. No mystery around that, no closed source injection being pumped into your bloodstream when wearing a seat belt.
And COVID mass deaths would of not happen if life was allowed to go on as normal. There were places like South Dakota that did nothing authoritative and I do know South Dakota still exists, life goes on.
Again, stop watching the news. Unplug from the matrix and then you will see the source code to all of this madness.
Economies halted because the public freaked out. The vast, vast majority of healthy people were absolutely fine. Most of those who died, with respect, had relatively few years of life left anyway.
Society should strive to keep these vulnerable people as safe as possible. But I personally think it was incredibly unethical to shut down whole economies just for that.
Still waiting for you to cite the risks that outweigh the benefits, now that too much time has passed for you to still thing of it as “rushed”.
Standing up for bodily autonomy was the best thing one could do
Don’t forget dying on that hill.
Still waiting you to cite that they don’t.
This is a burden of proof fallacy right here. Classic.
They have to prove it’s safe, not vice versa.
Typical leftist authoritarianism. Classic.
I was in Spain at the beginning of the pandemic. The bodies they were stacking in the back of army trucks because their mortuary system had collapsed were not fine.
That might have happened in a few cases. I don’t deny there was a real pandemic and vulnerable people were dying.
A few years ago corpses were rotting in a basement of Universidad Autónoma becauae too many people donated their bodies to science. What’s your point?
Neurotic authoritarian.
Cool dude. You sure owned me.
Someone needing an organ transplant doesn’t sound like “younger” or “healthier” people.
According to your criteria, regardless of vaccine efficacy: this sounds like someone that should have been vaccinated.You don’t have the remote idea of how vaccines eradicate illnesses.
Why aren’t all the vaccinated dead yet HMMM?
This is stupid on several levels, but I ain’t got time for all that so I’ll just point out that this lady wasn’t younger or healthier, given that she died without an organ transplant, and had she received a transplant she would be one of the vulnerable people on immunosupprressants. So even this stupid ass argument doesn’t apply in this situation.
Ah yes the young healthy person who needs an organ transplant. Can’t forget about that demographic.
What messed with your brain
Blocking this shit, and reporting.
Why don’t you idiots stay in your safe spaces?
It’s ok to be autistic. You don’t have to try and blame it on a vaccine.
Wow. Just wow.
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She died rather than accepting a free to her, safe, and effective vaccine.
Well the vaccine could have killed her!
Yup. Literally the worst thing that could have happened to her had she taken the vaccine happened to her because she didn’t take the vaccine. Maybe they’ll put a monument to her on top of the hill that she chose to die on.
They actually might, it’s Alberta
Let’s not paint all Albertans as the same. There are dozens of us who are sane.
And free 5G service for life.
I was hoping to turn into a magnetic monkey with 5G tracking chips. No such luck.
The best few minutes of the pandemic for me was watching my 15 year old autistic daughter disassemble and completely humiliate a reality-denying mid-50s angry man at a farmers market. It was glorious.
Your daughter sounds like an awesome young woman!!!
Thanks. She is pretty awesome. Three of the people there to witness it, two labour negotiators and a “consultant” to CSIS, approached me the next week to say how impressed they were. She was clearly angry but she knew the data and presented it effectively. He slunk off after that. It was true awesome.
I had a double lung transplant 6 years ago. You have to be EXTREMELY compliant to even get put on the list.
So many meds and tests and shit stuff you need to follow EXACTLY, every 12 hours, every day, for the rest of your life.
If you refuse a vaccine you’re never going to care for your new lungs. It’s not easy.
Nope. That’s why the courts allow transplant coordinators to require that you be vaccinated. This vaccine was so incredibly safe that it’s ridiculous that she chose to die rather than getting it. I mean, literally the worst thing that could have happened to her because she got the vaccine happened to her because she didn’t get the vaccine.
This vaccine was so incredibly safe that it’s ridiculous that she chose to die rather than getting it.
Unlike the transplant meds. Pretty large increase for cancer from them.
Seems weird to refuse a COVID vaccine, but be fine swallowing a ton of meds every 12 hours that increases your risk of cancer significantly.
Obviously me and many others accept that increased risk, because like you said, the other outcome is just dying straight up.
In the end I’m glad the organ went to someone else who will respect and appreciate it.
I have a background in chemistry. Early in the pandemic when all the anti-vax nonsense was at its peak I took a look at the ingredients in the three main vaccines in Canada (A-Z, M, and P). For the most part they all included:
mRNA which we all have in our bodies all the time
4 salts of which one was table salt
4 fats of which one was cholesterol
and sugar.
That’s it.
While I do agree the vaccines are safe enough, saying “mRNA which we all have in our bodies all the time” is a bit misleading. The number of ways an mRNA strand could mess you up is astronomical.
It is not misleading at all. Every single cell in our bodies contains mRNA at all times.
What are these ways that mRNA could mess you up of which you speak?
Every single cell in our bodies contains mRNA at all times.
That’s like saying computer viruses are fine because they’re made of code, which computers are already full of.
We’re full of mRNA, sure, but we’re full of mRNA that’s supposed to be there.
What are these ways that mRNA could mess you up of which you speak?
I’m no biologist, but perhaps mRNA that creates a prion?
Sure, mRNA could be created to create a prion but the mRNA in the vaccine does not. It creates a small fragment of protein similar to a trans-membrane protein on the covid virus.
I assumed that you had concrete information to share no just wild anti-vax fear mongering.
Cool, guess my pancake breakfast works then. I’ve already got the mRNA and the breakfast takes care of the rest!
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Highlighting her fundamental lack of critical thinking skills.
Fact is, there’s more people in need of transplants and simply not enough viable organs to go around.
I’m not going to fault the transplant committee for denying someone over a vaccine. Simply, why give this very finite and very precious resource to someone when they’re just going to go get themselves unalived over something as dumb as a 100% preventable disease or something just because they have a brain malfunction that makes them think vaccines are bad. Especially when so many other people are literally dying without the same organs, who are more than happy to follow doctors instructions to ensure they can live a long and prosperous life with the replacement they desperately need.
It’s all rather silly.
The thing that probably bothers me the most about organ transplants in general is that if cloning research and stem cell research was allowed to proceed properly, it’s entirely possible that science could find a way to grow you a replacement of your own organs… Apart from genetic problems causing organs to fail, it would almost completely eliminate the entire demand for organs. But no, some idiots don’t want cloning because it upsets their imaginary friend.
On a related note, go fill out your donor card people. Even if you’re one of those “nobody will want my organs” type of people, do it anyways. The transplant people will figure out if your organs are viable when you no longer need them anymore. Let them figure that shit out for you. Just check the box to be a donor and don’t think about it any further.
On a related note, go fill out your donor card people. Even if you’re one of those “nobody will want my organs” type of people, do it anyways. The transplant people will figure out if your organs are viable when you no longer need them anymore. Let them figure that shit out for you. Just check the box to be a donor and don’t think about it any further.
and the stupid rumour about “the doctors will kill me to save 8 others” is bullshit. I am glad my donor signed. His wife said she didn’t want him to, but seeing me live because of his selflessness made her reconsider, and she tells everyone to be a donor.
That rumor flies in the face of the first rule doctors vow to uphold “do no harm”.
IDK about you, but killing someone for their organs is pretty damn harmful for the individual “donating” their organs.
It’s a different story if you’re braindead or hurt to the point of being capable of recovering at all, even with all of the modern science and medicine that is available.
Don’t just put it on your license either. In many places that isn’t legally binding. Have a conversation with your partner/children/parents who are going to have legal authority over your body while brain dead and tell them you want to be a donor.
How’s life as an immunocompromised person in the last few years?
What do you mean I have to stop drinking gin if I want a liver transplant?
Patient dies because she didn’t follow doctor’s advice.
Why would they want a liver transplant in the first place if they didn’t drink gin? Doctors not thinking it through
Not remotely comparable. There is no reason to believe she is getting a transplant as a result of covid.
You’re less likely to get a transplant if you’re more likely to ruin it based on your lifestyle.
Well a hospital in the US didn’t seem to think so. I suppose that’s one of the benefits of a less centralized system.
Yeah, the great US health system
You will note I was making a point about one aspect of the US health system. Not all of it.
Yeah but throwing an organ away with someone that will die anyway refusing treatment just because they paid or because your system is incapable of transporting organs to better suited donors is not exactly a “benefit”.
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Better the organ saved the life of a non-moron.
True dat.
Language will evolve naturally over time. But to claim that hoping your children are intelligent/physically healthy is a form of eugenics is absurd. If QAnon was left-leaning, this is the kind of shit they would say.
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What I said and what you said are not the same thing.
However, you win the gold medal for mental gymnastics.
I believe that that man was made of straw.
It’s funny when the trolls come out to play and no one picks up what they’re putting down.
I could definitely see this person being a troll. What’s wild though is that it seems the linked article was written in earnest.
I think it’s really funny that no one is taking the bait. All of the responses have been simple, on point, and non-engaging. That’s how you deal with a troll.
I wonder if you’d be able to take a step backward and consider that the linked article was written in earnest because it reflects a valid way of looking at the world that you may never have considered before. People disagreeing with you may not actually be trolling, but presenting their own valid beliefs. Look up disability studies, disability justice, and/or crip theory.
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I agree that hoping for an intelligent and physically healthy child definitely reflects an ableist worldview. This is basic disability/crip theory.
For those who are going to argue: wanting an intelligent child is ableist because it implies that people who are intelligent have more worth than people who are not. It’s assigning the value of a person based on a pretty narrow and Western conceptualization of how people think. A person is valuable not because of their intelligence, but because of their existence — all are equally valuable because they’re people, and everyone is equal. The same goes, believe it or not, for physical disabilities, including health. If you disagree, then you think that not all people are equal, which is problematic, as problematic as hoping that your child is straight, or male, or has blonde hair and blue eyes.
That’s retarded. People can want what they want. The implications and conclusion you jump to sre you-problems, not reflective of society.
Oh shut up already.
no, you.
no u
If you aren’t gonna take steps to protect yourself, you’re not worthy. There’s a long list and many people who will work hard to safeguard such a gift.
Most definitely.
“Taking this vaccine offends my conscience. I ought to have the choice about what goes into my body, and a lifesaving treatment cannot be denied to me because I chose not to take an experimental treatment for a condition — COVID-19 — which I do not have and which I may never have,” Lewis said in an affidavit.
I guess she died with a clear conscious. 🙄
Seriously though, taking an organ from the waitlist and then inevitably getting COVID while immunocompromised is … not very cool… for the next person on the waitlist.
They don’t give organs to alcoholics who don’t stop drinking either.
Good luck getting a heart of you refuse to quit eating a hamburger an hour.
Look, you have to pass a baseline level of taking care of yourself to qualify for an organ, and vaccinations are the bottom, base level first line of defense.
Yup.
She probably should’ve gotten the vaccine, huh?
And suffer the potential consequences like a mild headache and a sore arm for some days? Never!
What a dumnass. In her Pyrrhic victory not to be made into a 5g zombie (or whatever nonsense she might have believed) she stood her ground and died like an idiot. She gets no tears from me.
I’ve had…4 different vaccines.
A-Z sore arm for a day and a splitting headache for two days. ASA resolved it.
M sore arm for three days and a mild headache. ASA resolved it.
P x 2 no appreciable sore arm and no headache.
PBiV - no appreciable sore arm and no headache.
Tfw you call Aspirin ASA.
ASA stands for acetylsalicylic acid, shortened to aspirin.
Don’t forget being banned from eating in restaurants where the owners put up “we don’t call 911” signs and Salad isn’t on the menu.
That sounds like a win to me.
It isn’t the choice that I would have made but it was her choice to make.
And it’s her choice to
livedie with.Yes. Every choice we make has consequences. Some bigger than others.
It’s probably better for society that she didn’t.
This is such a paradoxical statement, because if she did get the vaccine willingly, then no one would consider her to be an idiot and thus see no issue with her getting the transplant.
So what you are saying is if you don’t act like an idiot, nobody would perceive you as an idiot? Yes that is generally how society works.
Transplants are incredibly strict about you not just wanting to live, but doing everything you can in order to live. It is good that the transplant went to someone with a sense of self-preservation. Utter waste on the likes of her.
What a bonkers hill to literally die on.
If you make being petulant your entire identity…
Petulant is such a great word for all these people.
It applies equally well to the tantrumists who blocked the border crossings and shit all over the street in downtown Ottawa.
Yea but think of all the libs she owned
As a lib… I feel so owned.
