A New York Times copyright lawsuit could kill OpenAI::A list of authors and entertainers are also suing the tech company for damages that could total in the billions.

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    9 months ago

    The NYT has a market cap of about $8B. MSFT has a market cap of about $3T. MSFT could take a controlling interest in the Times for the change it finds in the couch cushions. I’m betting a good chunk of the c-suites of the interested parties have higher personal net worths than the NYT has in market cap.

    I have mixed feelings about how generative models are built and used. I have mixed feelings about IP laws. I think there needs to be a distinction between academic research and for-profit applications. I don’t know how to bring the laws into alignment on all of those things.

    But I do know that the interested parties who are developing generative models for commercial use, in addition to making their models available for academics and non-commercial applications, could well afford to properly compensate companies for their training data.

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    9 months ago

    If OpenAI owns a Copyright on the output of their LLMs, then I side with the NYT.

    If the output is public domain–that is you or I could use it commercially without OpenAI’s permission–then I side with OpenAI.

    Sort of like how a spell checker works. The dictionary is Copyrighted, the spell check software is Copyrighted, but using it on your document doesn’t grant the spell check vendor any Copyright over it.

    I think this strikes a reasonable balance between creators’ IP rights, AI companies’ interest in expansion, and the public interest in having these tools at our disposal. So, in my scheme, either creators get a royalty, or the LLM company doesn’t get to Copyright the outputs. I could even see different AI companies going down different paths and offering different kinds of service based on that distinction.

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      I think it currently resides with the one doing the generation and not openAI itself. Officially it is a bit unclear.

      Hopefully, all gens become copyleft just for the fact that ais tend to repeat themselves. Specific faces will pop up quite often in image gen for example.

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    This would bring up the cost of entry for making a model and nothing more. OpenAI will buy the data if they have too and so will google. The money will only go to the owners of the New York Times and its shareholders, none of the journalists who will be let go in the coming years will see a dime.

    We must keep the entry into the AI game as low as possible or the only two players will be Microsoft and Google. And as our economy becomes increasingly AI driven, this will cement them owning it.

    Pragmatism or slavery, these are the two options.

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    9 months ago

    We hold ourselves back for no reason. This stuff doesn’t matter, AI is the future and however we get there is totally fine with me.

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      9 months ago

      AI without proper regulation could be the downfall of humanity. Many pros, but the cons may outweigh them. Opinion.

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        AI development will not be hamstrung by regulations. If governments want to “regulate” (aka kill) AI, then AI development in their jurisdiction will move elsewhere.