New evidence points to Israeli security forces, not Hamas, for causing the most fatalities at the music festival - civilian deaths that were then utilized to justify Tel Aviv's Gaza genocide.
  • Papercrane@lemmy.world
    162·
    10 months ago

    It’s getting harder and harder to actually know what to believe anymore. I know this whole situation isn’t black and white but still. There is always some new snippet to a story that complete 180 degree flips the sides. Who can even tell at this point what is true and what not if you weren’t at the spot where it happened

    • intelshill@lemmy.caOP
      218·
      10 months ago

      This the the textbook IDF playbook: flood the zone with shit so people don’t care anymore.

    • freagle@lemmygrad.ml
      4·
      10 months ago

      You have to do trend analysis instead of object analysis.

      At the end of the day, the only value of the rave story is propaganda to convince people to support either the Westphalian nation-state of Israel or the people of Palestine.

      If you analyze the bigger picture and trends, the Westphalian nation-state of Israel started when the English used the doctrine of terra nullius to slaughter Palestinians and establish a place where Europe could send people who were Jewish (since Europe was anti-semitics and didn’t want Jews in their home countries). That community became the Westphalian nation-state of Israel. The Palestinian people still do not have an internationally recognized nation-state. In the trend analysis, what happened at the rave doesn’t matter to this question. The contemporary nation-state we call Israel is built on genocide just like every other colony setup by the Europeans (Canada, USA, Cuba, Mexico, Australia, New Zealand, most of South America, etc). It is therefore illegitimate as a nation-state. If over a century of violent oppression led to a bunch of revolutionary resistance fighters killing innocent people at a party, that’s not going to change my mind about what the situation is. It’s going to provide evidence that there is serious suffering and dehumanization that needs to be worked through in order to establish a sustainable solution, but every solution requires an acknowledgement that the contemporary nation-state we call Israel is illegitimate and has no claim to land, resources, or security.

      To be clear, the people of Israel, what we might call the nation of Israelites, they have a right to life, to security, to national self direction. That people are different than the state. The state can be dismantled and the people can still have national self direction.

  • SloppyPuppy@lemmy.world
    02·
    10 months ago

    Just ignore the hundreds of hours of footage captured by Hammas terrorists body cams filming themselves slaughtering hundreds of people. Ignore them…

        • Untitled@lemdro.idEnglish
          1·
          10 months ago

          This is embarrassing, relying on Telegram fake news when we are all awash in videos they proudly share of IDF murdering civilians and torturing people.

          You’re going to go out the same was that South African apartheid did. They did okay against unarmed kids in Soweto, but as you’ve discovered from watching control slip away from you again and again, guerillas are tough! The Cuban-trained Angolans washed them. Why did you think Apartheid ended? They got their asses handed to them.

          • SloppyPuppy@lemmy.world
            02·
            10 months ago

            Im literally answering the first phrase of the article.

            “New evidence points to Israeli security forces, not Hamas, for causing the most fatalities at the music festival”

            No, most of the dead at nova were killed by Palestinians who proudly filmed themselves doing it. There are hundreds of videos like these showing hundreds of Israelis slaughtered by, again, PALESTINIANS. Hundreds of dead Israelis who represent the vast majority of dead at nova.