U.S. presidents cannot be prosecuted for selling pardons or assassinating political rivals through SEAL Team Six, personal Trump lawyer John Sauer argued Tuesday.

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      Who needs a two-party system, when all you need is one. It’s working pretty well in China, Cuba and North Korea.

      /s just in case…

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    There were some very questionable pardons - where is that investigation?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_granted_executive_clemency_by_Donald_Trump

    the vast majority were to persons to whom Trump had a personal or political connection, or persons for whom executive clemency served a political goal.[2][3][5] A significant number had been convicted of fraud or public corruption.[6] The New York Times reported that during the closing days of the Trump presidency, individuals with access to the administration, such as former administration officials, were soliciting fees to lobby for presidential pardons

    Huh, he posthumously pardoned Susan B Anthony? I’ll give Trump credit for that.

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      I don’t know if Susan b Anthony would be happy about being pardoned, let alone by him.

      also:

      “Soliciting fees to lobby” is some super human level mental gymnastics. It’s called bribery.

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    If you are a history buff, read up on the aventine secession on Wikipedia.

    The TL;DR is that in 1924 Giacomo Matteotti, a member of the house of representative who was outspoken against Mussolini, was killed and no charges were brought forward. That even is what transition Italy from a semi-working democracy to a one-party dictatorship.

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          I hate that people are starting to actually use these censor-bypass words in real life… makes adults sound like children!

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            So, kinda like how all slang and colloquial language sounds at first? Not like prefixes aren’t a part of our language either.

            Besides, there’s plenty of words that get changed or replaced because what society considers offensive changes.

            We don’t use “cripple”, “retard”, or many other words.

            In other news, unyoung man diswhispers at cloud

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              I get what you’re saying, but in this case it just has this… dystopian corporate essence to it. Instead of getting off these shitty platforms that censor words and idea, people just find ways around the censors while still using the platform. Platform keeps making out like gangbusters, society gets dumbed down a little more. It kind of reminds me of what people in China have to do to talk shit about their govt without getting in trouble, which is… not the direction we should be going.

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              Lol that’s more of a classic word filter bypass, but it was pretty funny

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              (Panically empties gun at the general direction of where this gibberish came from)

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        I use swipe on my keyboard. It’s possible they do too and they meant to type murdered. The letters are pretty close.

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    Trump isnt saying these things because he believes it. He’s saying these things because he wants his fans to believe him.

    Last time he promoted J6. Now he’s promoting assassination.

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    “Could a president order SEAL Team Six to assassinate a political rival? That’s an official act–an order to Seal Team Six,” U.S. Circuit Judge Florence Pan asked Sauer.

    “He would have to be, and would speedily be, you know, impeached and convicted before the criminal prosecution,” Sauer replied, setting a pre-condition for such prosecution in Pan’s hypothetical.

    I wonder if that’s true. Would a congress controlled by the Republican party of today really follow through with impeachment for that? I’m sure such a president would have all kinds of excuses as to why they had to do it and how their rival was a threat to national security etc etc that their followers would take at face value.

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      “He would have to be, and would speedily be, you know, impeached and convicted before the criminal prosecution,” Sauer replied, setting a pre-condition for such prosecution in Pan’s hypothetical.

      Meanwhile, Republicans didn’t impeach him because “the courts should decide.”

      They’re trying to create Schrodinger’s Dictator.

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    It’s the hand these lawyers have been dealt to try to make this argument fly. They are duty bound to provide the best representation they can for their client, and if somehow this completely bonkers argument wins the day, I think that’s pretty much it for American democracy.

    Or Biden has all this on standby just in case…

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      my favorite business teacher once told me almost no one has to do anything. we just need to accept the consequences of those actions… breathe/dont breathe… steal/dont steal.

      no one is holding a gun to these lawyers heads, are they? these arent ‘public defenders’ answering the call of their duty. these are private, douchebag lawyers who have chosen to be douchebags… correct me if im wrong.

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        Yeah, they can drop the client if they wanted to. And they probably should, they arent gonna get paid either way.

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          My pet theory is that they know they won’t be paid. It’s an ad for these lawyers, who will be contacted later by ultra conservative clients or even mobs. They want a mob lawyer who does, for example, delay tactics, the defining scheme of the Trump franchise.

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    Does Trump know this ruling could end with Biden legally ordering his assassination? His opponent is President right now.

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      I think Trump’s betting on the Supreme Court dragging their feet long enough to where Dark Brandon cannot Dark Brandon, but Trump can just assassinate anyone who says he can’t be a 3rd term president.

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    Works for Russia. Window sales going to see a surge if Trump gets elected.