The law, which was set to take effect Jan. 1, would have prohibited people from carrying concealed guns in 26 places, including public parks, churches, banks and zoos.
You’re assuming judicial impartiality, which is not a safe or correct assumption. The GOP has a documented strategy of filling US federal courts with judges that sympathize with their views, and has been doing this for decades.
What is sane about putting someone through training and interviews to get a license to carry a gun and then telling them they can’t carry it anywhere? This law was just a defacto ban and a blatant violation of your rights and it should be struck down.
Proper training is important, and so is making sure that firearms aren’t in places they really have no place in being. In fact proper training should include stuff in regards to not having firearms in places they shouldn’t be. A law like this is because a lot of people don’t get proper training.
Firearms have no business being in a lot of places.
The law included all daycare and school grounds, college campuses, government and judicial buildings, medical facilities, public parks and playgrounds, correctional institutions, public transit, public demonstrations and gatherings, athletic and professional sporting facilities, public libraries, amusement parks, zoos and museums, places of worship, banks, polling places, gambling establishments, any place where alcohol is sold and any other privately owned commercial establishment that is open to the public — unless the business owner put up a sign saying guns are OK. (Source)
That’s not banning you from having a firearm, “anywhere,” it’s a ban on having one in specific locations. There’s no reason to carry a gun into a daycare, there’s no reason to carry a gun into a hospital, there’s no reason to carry a gun into a zoo, etc.
So you think the best way to defend yourself is with an object with the sole purpose of murder? Your first reaction goes to whelp, guess I’m killing someone today?
Yes, and I’m 100% sure you’d feel that way too if someone ever tried to kill you or someone you love. Just because you don’t like thinking about it doesn’t mean that bad things don’t happen to good people.
If you want fun go look up honey badger in zoos on YouTube. Mother truckers are hand raised by humans and they still give you the impression they are planning ways to eat everyone.
I think if you need a gun to visit a zoo you are either doing it wrong or going to far far more interesting zoos than I have gone too. Some of the lambs getting too frisky at the petting zoo? Maybe the giraffes are getting ideas?
A few of those are slightly more problematic than others. The biggest thing is that by combining all of them it effectively bans licensed firearms almost everywhere.
For instance, you can’t take transit, but you also can’t fuel up your car because they sell beer at gas stations.
If you want to be willfully ignorant of what the founders were referring to then go ahead but it doesn’t change the fact that under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.
I don’t give a shit what the intent was. Look at the text. Are you part of a well-regulated militia? No? Then stop cosplaying as a real soldier. You can enlist in the guard if you want to have pretend time.
At the time, “well regulated” meant “well equipped”. And a militia is made up of regular citizens who are called up to take arms against an invader, like the minutemen. There’s nothing about a militia that implies they have any sort of formal training.
But don’t take my word for it. Read the federalist papers, they were written by the same folks as the bill of rights and go into great detail about what they intended.
I see so non-citizens are not part of the militia and hence can’t own guns? So permeant residents can’t own a gun?
You did say citizens.
Regular means what exactly? Be exact. Does it mean cops as well? How about vets? How about the elderly? How about people who could never possibly serve due to medical conditions? What about prisoners?
That kinda lip won’t be accepted by your commanding officer in your well regulated militia. I still don’t know why you don’t just enlist in the guard if you want to cosplay as a soldier.
Then say something. I don’t hear enough of people at the NRA saying they care about protection. If they did they would care that people are getting hurt and they have the power to fix it.
Does it not exist? I have no idea why you are having an identity crisis about something. And relating it to the KKK shows a lot more about you than it does about me.
We do. For example I am sure there are metal detectors for that courthouse. All these pro-NRA stuff is coming from people who aren’t threatened by guns. They are happy to impose regulations when it impacts themselves.
FFS can we please get some sane gun regulation in this country?
This shouldn’t have been stopped by that judge.
You’re assuming judicial impartiality, which is not a safe or correct assumption. The GOP has a documented strategy of filling US federal courts with judges that sympathize with their views, and has been doing this for decades.
The GOP also doesn’t allow guns in their events.
But that’s par for the course for those arseholes.
What is sane about putting someone through training and interviews to get a license to carry a gun and then telling them they can’t carry it anywhere? This law was just a defacto ban and a blatant violation of your rights and it should be struck down.
“A well regulated militia…”
Proper training is important, and so is making sure that firearms aren’t in places they really have no place in being. In fact proper training should include stuff in regards to not having firearms in places they shouldn’t be. A law like this is because a lot of people don’t get proper training.
Firearms have no business being in a lot of places.
The law included all daycare and school grounds, college campuses, government and judicial buildings, medical facilities, public parks and playgrounds, correctional institutions, public transit, public demonstrations and gatherings, athletic and professional sporting facilities, public libraries, amusement parks, zoos and museums, places of worship, banks, polling places, gambling establishments, any place where alcohol is sold and any other privately owned commercial establishment that is open to the public — unless the business owner put up a sign saying guns are OK. (Source)
That’s not banning you from having a firearm, “anywhere,” it’s a ban on having one in specific locations. There’s no reason to carry a gun into a daycare, there’s no reason to carry a gun into a hospital, there’s no reason to carry a gun into a zoo, etc.
Sorry poor people, no self defense for you
There are other ways of defending yourself without a gun
You can use all sorts of things as a screwdriver, but you’ll get better results using the right tool for the job.
So you think the best way to defend yourself is with an object with the sole purpose of murder? Your first reaction goes to whelp, guess I’m killing someone today?
Yes, and I’m 100% sure you’d feel that way too if someone ever tried to kill you or someone you love. Just because you don’t like thinking about it doesn’t mean that bad things don’t happen to good people.
there are definitely good reasons to have a gun at a zoo.
Not by patrons of the zoo
You aint taking Harambeii out with whatever pistol you carry
I won’t dictate how you keep yourself safe. kindly extend the same courtesy.
Are you sure about that? You seem exactly like the type of person to dictate how someone keeps themselves safe or healthy.
I’m an anarchist. I believe you are capable of making your own decisions.
If you want fun go look up honey badger in zoos on YouTube. Mother truckers are hand raised by humans and they still give you the impression they are planning ways to eat everyone.
I think if you need a gun to visit a zoo you are either doing it wrong or going to far far more interesting zoos than I have gone too. Some of the lambs getting too frisky at the petting zoo? Maybe the giraffes are getting ideas?
A few of those are slightly more problematic than others. The biggest thing is that by combining all of them it effectively bans licensed firearms almost everywhere.
For instance, you can’t take transit, but you also can’t fuel up your car because they sell beer at gas stations.
What right is that? The bill of rights talks about a well regulated militia. So unless you are part of one I am not sure where you are coming from.
If you want to be willfully ignorant of what the founders were referring to then go ahead but it doesn’t change the fact that under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.
I don’t give a shit what the intent was. Look at the text. Are you part of a well-regulated militia? No? Then stop cosplaying as a real soldier. You can enlist in the guard if you want to have pretend time.
I don’t give a shit that you can’t parse English properly, commas matter.
See, that’s the same structure. The part after the comma stands on its own and the part before is there to explain what’s up.
It’s a natural right for everyone, the Constitution simply recognizes it and protects it.
Those three words aren’t in there by mistake. You can play games with commas all you want but that will not make those three words vanish.
You are not in a well regulated militia.
The words don’t need to vanish, they are perfectly fine. They just don’t mean what you think they do.
Fine. What does well regulated militia mean. I want an exact definition that handles literally every edge case.
At the time, “well regulated” meant “well equipped”. And a militia is made up of regular citizens who are called up to take arms against an invader, like the minutemen. There’s nothing about a militia that implies they have any sort of formal training.
But don’t take my word for it. Read the federalist papers, they were written by the same folks as the bill of rights and go into great detail about what they intended.
I see so non-citizens are not part of the militia and hence can’t own guns? So permeant residents can’t own a gun?
You did say citizens.
Regular means what exactly? Be exact. Does it mean cops as well? How about vets? How about the elderly? How about people who could never possibly serve due to medical conditions? What about prisoners?
You did say regular.
Whoops, looks like I broke him
Answer the questions please
don’t be petulant
Do you talk to your fellow militia members that way?
No. They’re stupid.
That kinda lip won’t be accepted by your commanding officer in your well regulated militia. I still don’t know why you don’t just enlist in the guard if you want to cosplay as a soldier.
nope only gun fetishes here
Shit I own a few guns and the amount of gun fitish people here on lemmy is crazy to me
Edit: correct wording
I’m a gun owner as well but I am beyond tired of the constant mass shootings and the refusal to do anything about it in this country
Then say something. I don’t hear enough of people at the NRA saying they care about protection. If they did they would care that people are getting hurt and they have the power to fix it.
who the fuck is engaging with the nra, like asking why the kkk isn’t fighting for minority rights
I dunno man. They sure own a lot of guns.
and the kkk slave owners had a lot of minority slaves, still not seeing why anyone would validate the nra
Does it not exist? I have no idea why you are having an identity crisis about something. And relating it to the KKK shows a lot more about you than it does about me.
We do. For example I am sure there are metal detectors for that courthouse. All these pro-NRA stuff is coming from people who aren’t threatened by guns. They are happy to impose regulations when it impacts themselves.