Compiz and Wayfire:
If I want simple and super stable, Cinnamon. If I want sexy, custom, and slightly less stable, Plasma.
Never going back to desktop environments again.
Niri FTW!Is there a GUI environment that will turn my desktop into the stupid, goofy virtual reality space a lot of movies in the 90s showed off as being “the future of computing?” 🤔
I want to build a computer that just mimics the stupid hollywood vision of computers from that time because it would be fun and make me laugh.
KDE can probably do this with enough time and effort.
Gotdamnit, even terminals are electron apps now
Ooo yes I feel more terminal LARPing in my future. This is gorgeous, thank you for sharing this! :D
I thought CoolRetroTerm was as rad as I could feel doing terminal things. :D
Check out the shaders in ghostty. https://youtu.be/yJDn__NhOqI&t=6m32s
Not exactly the same but just saw this in another thread: https://a.hollywood.computer/
lmao
I wanna run this on a laptop while in a public place.
For me KDE6 has broken workspaces and thag is unacceptable. Gnome just works (after installing 20 extensions)
I haven’t had any issues. Are you conflating the switch from X11 to Wayland with Workspaces, or do you have a problem with the multi-monitor support in 6.6?
I have no idea. I just dipped my toes into KDE again this weekend. This isn’t going to sound good for Gnome but a gdm3 update on debian sid broke it. Needed a desktop so i tried KDE again. Everything i can find seems to indicate I should be able to switch desktops by holding super and scrolling or hitting a number but i can’t. I can get to workspaces if i move cursor to top left. Though those might be something called “activites” since they are sandboxes from each other.
Other than that I have KDE on steamdeck and “steam machine” connected to tv and its fine because i rarely use it for anything other than web browsing anything else I need to do on those are more easily done via ssh. I’ve never attempted to use workspaces on either since they are more gaming/video devices for me.
Oh! The setting you are looking for is called “Virtual Desktops.” They aren’t created dynamically, but are meant to be created and configured for different workflows so they are always there. You just need to add some!
Add new ones from System Settings / Virtual Desktops. Once you have some created, you will have a grid of desktops you can switch between using Super + Ctrl + Arrows or by using the Pager widget.
I’ve only just switched to KDE in the last 6 months or so, how did workspaces used to work?
I have no idea, all i know is gnome i can scroll through by holding super and scrolling or swiping with 3 fingers i can’t. Sway i can press super and a number and get to a workspace. KDE i can only get to by approaching the corner. Which would be fine if it didn’t sandbox apps to the workspace. I like being able to click terminal and go to terminal workspace or firefox and go to firefox workspace but that doesn’t seem to be how things work in KDE. I’m sure theres a setting but I can’t be arsed to deal with it.
I’ve always dreamed of silly but cool interfaces like this! Awesome!
… Now link it to HomeAssistant and you really can use it to toggle door locks! :p
there’s a few 3d file browsers. i remember there was one like Doom where you could walk around rooms (dirs) and shoot files to delete them
That sounds fun and extremely dangerous. Lol
(Cat steps on mouse button and BFG’s /home)
“…well, crap!”
Iirc back in the nineties there were 3d desktop environments, where the virtual ‘you’ had to walk from one place to another to switch apps. All a continuation of ‘novice-friendly’ environments emulating actual offices, like Microsoft Bob.
Not quite what you’re asking, but xfce has a Chicago 95 mod to make it look like win95.
Cinnamon >>> KDE
Imo.
KDE too clunky while cinnamon still customizable.
Plasma is great, it just has terrible defaults and there is no way to back up settings. I spend half an hour configuring Plasma in each install. I can’t believe I’m saying this but as of Plasma 6 and its bug fixes, Plasma is much more polished than Cinnamon.
I really like KDE and haven’t used cinnamon since very soon after it first released (pre 2010??)
I should give it another go soon, I do feel like I’ve been on kde so long I don’t even know what I’m missing, except I tried gnome again and it’s still not for me.
I just started to use Hyprland yesterday after switching to Cachy OS. Was previously Linux Mint cinnamon. I don’t know why but I’m kind of enjoying the thrill.
One little task that I tried on several DE. Try to change the scroll speed in the file explorer (dolphin for kde)
I had no DE except KDE where I just could go into the settings and change the value.
Afaik for cinnamon I need to recompile the whole thing.
Why would the file explorer have its own scroll speed separate from the rest of the system?
Because some people like customizability.
Do you also have different mouse speed in different apps?
In games for example, yes
3d games are obviously different from desktop apps, idk why I even need to explain this. Try again when you want the cursor to move faster in the email app than in the text editor.
Not that I would want that feature, but what’s a good reason against it? I don’t see it hurting anything by being able to customize that, and if someone wants to why is that a problem? It seems a weird hill to die on is all
The problem on my side was that for some reason the speed for my mouse was always too slow. 10 scrolls for one page.
This is sth. That can work on 90% of all mice out there and not for some. So you should always have it costumizeable
I only had this problem on Mac with apps made in Qt or somesuch. They apparently didn’t understand the system-wide scrolling speed. But apps in one desktop environment, especially the file browser made for that environment, should just respect the system-wide setting.
how do you only change that for dolphin?
You open settings and search for scroll speed
that changes it for all programs. or did you mean that?
I did mean that.
It was just most noticeable in dolphin
As a KDE person who’s got an 'ol reliable Mint machine, I’m really glad Cinnamon has fans. I do wish certain customization was a little easier maybe? But it really does “just work” while looking pretty enough and not being overly obtuse.
I love my KDE and it kicks butt right now, but I don’t want to see everything converge on a single DE. I want them all to improve for the people who love them for their own reasons.
Cinny rocks.
Big fan. I don’t demand much from a window manager, just stay out of the way. I’ve never really had to give cinnamon any thought, shit just works. I spend most of my time in a terminal window though, so not really pushing the GUI.
downvoted for literally having a harmless opinion, classic lemmy
It’s nothing personal, but I hate Cinnamon. I do not agree with their philosophy at all. They want to be “familiar” but that means they are trapped using outdated Windows 98 conventions while being late to the Wayland party and offering significantly less customization than KDE. When I see people recommend Cinnamon over KDE, I downvote. If you personally prefer it’s 1999 style and conventions then you keep doing you, but it’s not objectively better than KDE in any way and I do not think we should be driving new Linux users toward it.
It seems like a way to help old fucks like me - who have never used anything but Windows and hate anything new and still bitch about the windows key - learn how to use Linux without throwing up our hands and going back to Windows 11. I am planning to use Mint, and Cinnamon, when I nuke my desktop’s Windows installation, because I’m just too goddamn tired to learn too many new things at a time and I liked Windows 98.
Is Cinnamon still a good idea for me, even though it does not sound like a good idea for people still able to form new neuronal connections?
Give it a try.
You could also look into creating a Ventoy thumb drive so you can try multiple distros without installing them. Most linux distros can be run “live” straight from an ISO, and Ventoy lets you boot directly into any ISO you copy onto a thumb drive. It’s an quick, easy, no-commitment way to try a few things out and see what feels good to you.
that deserves a comment then to clarify, because irrational downvoting ahouldnt be encouraged
People just misunderstand what the voting is for.
I think there should be four options for voting: agree / disagree / is relevant / is irrelevant, where the first three pushes the entry up, and the last push it down.
I think there should be no voting at all and we went back to how it was on forums :)
Do votes affect conversation at all in here? I just tend to ignore them.
Comments with a negative sum will be hidden/collapsed. That may be a client setting, though.
Just to check, do you also want flat conversation instead of nested threads?
I don’t mind it either way, quoting another post usually provided a nice nested view with replies anyway.
Okay, just wanted to make sure before asking: how do I find anything in this thread?
Find? As in the result searching? You use the search tool provided by the forum.
I used Cinnamon as a daily driver for ten years, I’ve still got Mint Cinnamon on my laptop, and Fedora KDE on my desktop.
KDE offers Wayland with all its bells and whistles ready to go, but Fedora is the second worst operating system I’ve ever operated. There’s a lot of shit that doesn’t run on it. .rpm is a complete joke compared to .apt, it’s just a shame that Ubuntu is such a joke compared to Fedora. Frankly this might be the perfect time in history to take a fire axe to everything more technologically advanced you own than a wall and go roll around in the mud.
I ran fedora flawlessly for about 5-6 years on one system and it was great until one day it just shat itself with an update and I couldn’t fix it. A reinstall would have been fine no doubt but took the opportunity to hop again. Think it was 41 that caused it.
Anyway I still rate it highly despite that, surprised it made it to the bottom of anyones list.
Ok, no hate (and with all appreciation for the community due), but since Gnome 3 that’s really how I see it. Perfectly ok but a teletubby.
Weirdly, I love KDE, but kinda hate the look of KDE apps. Don’t ask why.
KDE has its origins in being ‘like Windows, but with way more shit to fiddle with’. And since Windows was never good about design, and other KDE predecessors like CDE looked even worse, KDE didn’t have a good example from which to learn.
In contrast, Gnome 2 was very obviously inspired by MacOS, and Apple’s designers actually knew about the principles of grouping and such basic design stuff that MS never properly learned. Apple spent ages on adjusting the looks of the apps, which I guess Gnome borrowed to some extent.
They feel unfinished. I like their apps, but their designs feel like mockups.
I’m the same. I like the workflow of Plasma, I just find it more practical, but Gnome actually feels like an OS made this century. All the KDE software just feels like it was made in the early 00s and since then it’s just been getting hotfixes to keep it going. I wish they’d just abandon a bunch of their projects and stop spreading themselves so thin.
GNOME apps to me all few like tech demos that look cool but aren’t very useful because there will always be a deal breaker of a missinf feature or behavior you can’t change
I don’t really understand why anyone uses ‘KDE software’ or ‘Gnome software’, aside from the control panel and some widgets: for all actual work, I use software that doesn’t belong to any particular environment. Namely, Double Commander for file management.
There is something about the slightly bad kerning of QT that gives KDE a vaguely Windows 95 feel. Especially when you start installing extensions that make no attempt to resemble each other; there is nothing I can do to make my CPU temperature meter and my system clock look like they belong on the same computer.
Gnome on the other hand feels like MacOS with meningitis. It’s designed to look nice, but not necessarily do anything.
KDE started by emulating the looks and mechanics of Windows, but with even more busy lists and dialogs. While Gnome 2 was very obviously stealing from MacOS.
I still can’t bring myself to try KDE again, after having been traumatized by it twenty years ago.
It cuts even deeper than that. KDE took Microsoft’s philosophy to the extreme, didn’t abandon projects that crashed and burned under Windows, and somehow at long last made many things work.
Explorer was supposed to be an everything-browser. Didn’t work out. Microsoft gave up and made a file explorer and separate Internet Explorer. Meanwhile, KDE made Konqueror with KHTML that browsed everything – sftp, samba, websites, open any file within any Konqueror pane, split your view horizontally and vertically as many times as you god damn like. It was really fucking weird until you got used to it. KHTML went on to become WebKit then Blink; Internet Explorer went on to become a wrapper for Blink.
Windows 98 wanted to put HTML on your desktop as applets or gadgets or whatever. Didn’t work. Sucked. Huge resource hog too. Got abandoned for the next ambitious Microsoft project that they never follow through on. Meanwhile that’s exactly how Plasma works, and it rules.
Interesting, but doesn’t quite inspire confidence in Plasma’s resource usage either. People here complain about Electron regularly, after all. Presumably KHTML must’ve grown in complexity together with other engines.
Meanwhile I’ve got hit with a reminiscence of Windows 98/ME having telltale underlining on folder and file names in Explorer and opening of them with one click.
everything you said so far was screaming that you did not try plasma 6, but not even plasma 5, but finally this made it clear. you should try it sometime, it changed a lot!
People are saying in this very thread that KDE’s apps don’t look too good, and that KDE has ridiculous settings like scrolling speed per app (instead of following the system-wide settings properly). So apparently not that much has changed.
well, whatever. if you don’t want I won’t force it. truth be told there are a few neglected kde apps, but I have never seen that per-app scroll speed setting. wouldn’t be surprised if its an addon.
Normally there are different groups of people working on different things. So those that are working on one thing probably aren’t interested in working on anything else.
The default theme could be better but you can customise a lot of it. Or you can wait for the current trend of rounded borders to end and KDE will be ahead of the curve.
Wherefore?
What is the cause?
this being possible is madness. And I’m not sure, but I think it would look better with a bit more padding by default. (Less than gnome though)What version of KDE is this? I’ve never had that happen, and tried reproducing it just now and could not. If I’m near the right edge of the screen, it opens the submenu to the left, not right.
6.5. You have to use the hambúrguer menu on the top right of dolphin, more, then view, sort by, and finally document or audio or video
I was just going to try it, but then I realized that I removed the hamburger icon from Dolphin I guess, so 🤷♂️
This pic is art, it belongs in a crime art museum!
The reason why cinnamon/nemo is superior, in a single image.
Nemo is way inferior lol
I tried it
Inferior but in the need to hid stuff up in menus.
Have you posted þis screenshot to c/softwaregore? Because it belongs þere.
just joking. do what your heart desires :)
But at the same time, they’re very utilitarian, which is what I want my OS and DE to be. I want to switch to cosmic, where I tend to like the design philosophy even less, 100% out of loving the tiling components
and the network settings menu is quite bad. very utilitarian if you are an advanced user, terrible for a noob
Yeah that is also pretty old and I guess unmaintained.
I hate that Qt6 dropped the Motif theme. You can get a Kvantum theme that’s vaguely close, but it’s different enough that you can tell the difference (the old one had deeper bevels) and I tend to prioritize Qt5 if I can use it.
Hm never thought about it, but now that you mention it, I feel the same. Mostly using non-KDE apps with a few exceptions like Spectacle and Konsole
What about dolphin tho?
Use Double Commander instead, like a pro.
I knew I forgot something… Yeah dolphin is good, but it has some questionable UI design decisions too. For example I always have trouble finding the quick filter instead of the find menu. It’s hidden somewhere and it does not persist. And the find menu itself is such a mess that it’s easier to use
find . -iname *whatever*on the command line. But maybe that’s just me and my way of thinking.You can definitely have the filter persist. I have it so dolphin always has the filter bar showing at the bottom. Super useful.
I’ve been using Mint Cinnamon for years and after having used Plasma on a number of different setups Mint feels so antiquated. It’s not even close, Plasma is far superior. It’s so much more modern and snappy feeling and you can do so much more with it if you want. Cinnamon makes you have to figure to look in applet settings to then find the setting to modify the start menu. So unintuitive. Among a bunch of other examples I could give
This is why when people tell me that Linux Mint is user-friendly, I usually assume they don’t use it themselves.
Been using cinnamon for a couple years and I’m happy with it, although I don’t spend much time on my computer. Been recommending it as well since I don’t know any better. What’s the most user friendly distro you would recommend ?
Debian. It’s basically Ubuntu minus the BS.
I am happy to be so easily disproven! Thank you!
In the past I would have said Ubuntu, then kubuntu, but I have had problems lately with things not “just working” because they were installed as a snap.
If I had to recommend something, I would still recommend Ubuntu because of the community, and the ui being generally well polished.
If you also game, Bazzite.
You have to go out of your way to accidentally break it, and drivers just work. Flatpaks are easy for people to install.
Otherwise, of your hardware does have issues with Fedora for any reason, Debian. It’s more stable than Mint.
Oh god, I reinstalled debian a bunch of times friday/saturday.
I ended up on gnome twice, once because I didn’t unmark anything properly, and a second time just to see what the unspecified debian UI would look like.
I disliked/managed to use it before. Now it’s so fucking macified it makes me want to vomit.
Gnome 3 isn’t ‘macified’. They’ve actually thrown away all the good stuff they stole from MacOS in Gnome 2, when they made Gnome 3 with its own blackjack and hookers.
I’m not exactly talking about looking like Macos, I’m talking about how it “feels” more like a rounded corner, hide things away on the edges, overly animated kinda thing. KDE has KRunner which while being like spotlight from Macos, doesn’t feel like it.
It’s a feeling. It’s difficult to precisely explain why it feels like a distasteful experience that I hate.
Guess we pay attention to different things. Idk what’s overly animated about MacOS, at least the last version that I used. The main animation in there is when minimizing an app — which in fact shows where the app is gone, and is helpful for new users. It can be disabled.
just the general communications of it. things on the taskbar bounce sometimes for notifications, when you enter the password wrong the panel shakes, etc etc. I am forced to use one for work, so I don’t spend too much time trying to customise it, I gave it a once over to get rid of most of the annoying things.
At home I’ve gone from Windows (non 11) -> KDE , so things are a lot more “colour change” instead of “animations”
EDIT : oh shit, it’s you! Thanks again for all your contribs in [email protected]
The bounce thing is great, in my opinion. The app typically bounces three or so times to let me know something happened, then stops and only bounces periodically if there’s an ongoing thing requiring my attention. Iirc this is tied to the notification settings specific to each app, so is happening only with apps that I want to notify me.
I’ve actually made my own app using this bouncing mechanic: a timer that shows the remaining time in the badge on the dock icon, and bounces continually once the time is up. It’s launched via the command line, or rather via the Alfred launcher by banging out a command like ‘timer 3m’. There’s no other interface. Took about 200 lines in a single Swift file. I’m gonna have to make something analogous for Linux once I find a decent alternative to Alfred.
You know you don’t have to reinstall the OS just to change desktop environment, right?
I was trying to fix a problem by starting from scratch. I was not going to take changes by uninstalling gnome to reinstall KDE and deal with any bits left over.
Gnome, kde, and what’s the 3rd logo? I suddenly have fomo.
Cinnamon, the desktop environment for Linux Mint.
You might think now that the meme is less important but it was my exact pathway as well.
why is its icon a mountain if it is named as a spice
What would you recommend? A swirl in reddish brown would complicate everything further.
cimmanom bun :3
Dang, I’m ashamed of myself for missing it. Mint was my gateway from windows too… I knew it was familiar.
Cinnamon.
I’ve been using Cinnamon for a long time and I didn’t know the icon. TIL
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