Attorney General Pam Bondi was so furious with six federal prosecutors who announced they would resign rather than prosecute the widow of a Minnesota woman killed by an ICE agent that she fired them before they had a chance to give their notice.
As a Minnesotan, I’ve had a lot of conversations with friends, family, and neighbors lately about what is going on
Most are pissed about ICE being here, and how they’re acting. Some, however, are 100% MAGA, and happy ICE is here
There is one thing everyone seems to agree on though: ICE being in Minnesota is political retaliation
We’re a state with ~2% of the population of the US. We have less than 2% of the immigrants due to our location and climate. Yet 20-30% of ICE agents are now here
If you’re not MAGA, you’re an immigrant.
I so want to see her on the stand at some point. Under oath, and not in an environment controlled by conservatives, either.
She should lose her head
Dumb of her. You have more protections when fired than if you just quit. It’s almost always in your best interest to have a shitty boss fire you and have those protections than leave voluntarily and have almost none.
She was:
Murdered!
Damn Pam. Ok,you broke up with them. Not the other way around. We got it.
Somebody literally needs to remind this lady to stop and take a breath before she passes out mid rant.
Or maybe we get lucky and she has a stroke.
There is no statute of limitations on murder, Johnathan Ross. This one is around your neck for life.
He’ll be pardoned by Trump. All of ICE probably will be.
*Supremacy clause https://youtube.com/shorts/Lk6tOvIu4qw this does not look good
Border patrol agents have no jurisdiction over US citizens. They didn’t have the authority to stop her and try to remove her from her car in the first place so, what they were doing was unlawful from the start. That should disqualify him from using the supremacy clause, before we even get into debate on whether lethal force was justified or not.
ICE isn’t border patrol.
As for whether this was part of their duties, that’s the question and oh boy this is going to be messy in the courts.
Ah, I thought he was border patrol, but he’s ICE, and you’re right. ICE also doesn’t have jurisdiction over US citizens though. I think it’s pretty clear that there was no probable cause to believe she, or her wife, were potentially illegal immigrants, were aiding illegal immigrants, or were impeding the agent’s investigation in any way, given that she was initially trying to wave them to go around her.
If/When we have a functioning DOJ again, Ross is going to prison.
This is assuming we ever had a functioning DOJ.
Only works for federal crimes
Presidential pardons only work for Federal crimes. It also does not protect the murderer from a civil suit (see OJ Simpson).
The state of Minnesota can wait until there is a more friendly administration before bringing charges, since there is not statute of limitations on murder. Also, the supremacy clause does not protect murderer Johnathan Ross from civil litigation.
You attached that TikTok-like video without properly reading the comment you were responding to.
EDIT:
Let’s address @[email protected] 's edit below. He is not wrong, but he is being overly defeatist and thus ignoring several key points.
- Administrations do matter. As we have seen with Trump and his failed prosecution, administrations get to install federal judges and it is up to the federal judge whether or not this becomes a federal case.
- A presidential pardon carries an admission of guilt, which is part of your permanent criminal record, which definitely affects your ability to find employment, travel, etc.
- Civil suits can be a terrible fate and should not be dismissed as Someguy3 is doing. A severe judgment against you can be an insurmountable and lifelong financial burdern. Even if as a convicted, yet pardoned murderer you happen to find a job, the civil suit will garner your wages. Own a house? Not anymore. People like OJ and Alex Jones have/had the means to avoid a lot of this, but murderer Johnathan Ross? Not likely without a very rich benefactor, in which case Mrs Good’s widow and children would be set for life while murderer Ross would still carry that albatross around his neck for life. Ideal? No, but things rarely are.
There were two parts to this. First is criminal and second is civil, you even used the word “also” to separate them.
Criminal: Again, Trump can preemtively pardon him and all of ICE. And the supremacy clause will be in play determined by the court. That’s the whole point.
*I guess I’ll try again in more detail. There are two parts to criminal. 1) state criminal charges. This is where Supremacy clause comes in. This is determined by a judge, not by the administration. Administration does not matter. 2) federal criminal charges. Trump will likely preemptively pardon him. So future DOJ (appointed by future administration) will not be able to federally charge him. Administration does not matter.
Civil: I don’t think civil charges are what anyone wants here. If you are satisfied with possible civil charges, you are missing the entire big picture. Like seriously you think possible civil charges is going to fix ICE shooting people in the face? JFC. I didn’t respond to it because you and everyone else should want criminal charges. Ciao.
Again, PEDOnald cannot pardon state charges. Minnesota can still charge Ross with murder even if he gets a presidential pardon. Supremacy clause doesn’t prevent states from using their own charges just because the feds refused to charge him with anything
The point @[email protected] was making is that the federal government can pull any state charges to a federal agent into federal court. If the federal judge finds that the federal agent was not acting in their capacity as a federal agent when the crime was committed, then the state prosecution can continue. That’s a tough obstacle to overcome under the current administration.
My point is that murder has no statute of limitations and Minnesota can wait to file charges until a non-fascist administration is in power. That could be in four years or in twenty. Again, no statute of limitations.
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pardons don’t work for state crimes
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They should have just not said anything dragged their feet while at work while slowly eating up annual/sick leave to really slow everything down. Now there are 4 vacancies that could have been tied up for the better part of a year.
Weren’t these the people earlier this week who supposedly resigned, of which people were complaining about. Now it comes out they were actually fired before they even could…
Maybe people should realize there might have been more going on that we aren’t privy to.
All this ‘not good enough’ thinking does is breed toxicity and in-fighting. Both of which are not good when trying to form a solidarity.
Weren’t these the people earlier this week who supposedly resigned, of which people were complaining about. Now it comes out they were actually fired before they even could…
The prosecutors announced their intent to resign, and would have done so after using up their allocated PTO. A fairly standard practice in professional environments. Pam Bondi fired them in retaliation for announcing their intent to resign
She claimed it was because they wanted a tax payer funded vacation, but anyone who understands the basics of unemployment, especially in Minnesota, can tell you she just gave them even more tax payer money (if they want it). Not only will they be entitled to their PTO, but they are not also entitled to unemployment
We also dont know the situation that led up to them resigning and getting fired. They very well could have been trying to drag their feet but were already under immense pressure to file charges immediately. No amount of feet dragging can help if the Nazis are literally hovering over you as you fill out the paperwork.
“Oh, yeah, you see how they checked this box here? That means we also need a DD-2319 form signed in triplicate here. That’ll need to be approved by two levels of management, so we’ll need to form a committee to assess its suitability before raising it for a vote during our Change Control Board meeting, which only occurs monthly. Sorry about that. Don’t worry, I’ll get it fast-tracked for you.”
You do realize they likely don’t care about doing things the right way, as they’ll just have Trump approve any bypass, whether legal or not.
not everyone seeks “lowering the bar” transgressions for feels
these people want to change the world not troll their boss
It’s better strategically but you need to have the strength to do so. Sometimes people are overwhelmed by something and just need to get out of the situation and I think that is OK too. Everyone should do what they are capable off, but it should be fine to just stop doing wrong stuff.
Exactly. It’s easy to tell people what they should be doing, from the outside.
A government derives its authority from the consent of the governed. The governed offer their consent as part of a social contract. The government’s role in that contract is to represent the will of the governed by enforcing the laws passed by our representatives.
The reason it’s easy for us to expect them to remain and enforce the law, is because that’s what they promised us in exchange for following their laws and paying their taxes.
Ok thx
Public servants have an obligation to the general public that overrides all other priorities. If you’re not prepared to use your powers to resist fascism, or even corruption, on behalf of the public you serve, you shouldn’t pursue a career in public service.
We consent to following their rules in exchange for them representing our will; that is the social contract between a government and her governed people.
Public servants are not the government. They have an obligation to do what the government tells them to do.
Or you find that you can’t and quit.
Bingo. Drag your feet, use up time. File shitty motions you know won’t work to tie up the courts. Sabotage is hard work, but slowing the gears of the Orphan Crushing Machine is important and actually pretty easy to do when it’s the federal government.
They aren’t going to be able to fill these because fed attorney jobs pay dick and there is zero prestige to these postings now.
Well, maybe true for qualified people, the job title is no longer prestigious.
But for the scum of the earth? That job title legitimizes them, by comparison.
I think I know which type will be the ones applying…
Right, but the defining characteristic of those people is that they are also bad at their jobs. Look at what happened to their prosecutions of former prosecutors that charged Trump. The guys that left were undoubtedly CONSIDERABLY better at their jobs than whoever will replace them.
That’s fair, and I’ll take any silver lining at this point.
even moronic lawyers betting on trump over the constitution have to know there’s no way that bloated sack of animated cholesterol is going to make it to 2028, and then where are they? working for couchfucker?
Some people just don’t want to eat shit for a living.
What? They want to prosecute the widow? What for? Fucking monsters.
Can they sue for wrongful termination or something?
The need to dehumanize the victim because even some Republicans are upset that they are shooting white ladies.
Yeah but they’ll let it slide because she was LGBTQ… /s
It’s true but it’s getting close to where they are beginning to feel uncomfortable about it. Not quite unhappy yet but they’re getting there.
This, but not sarcastic.
“After a brief investigation over mimosas and a cheese platter, we have found credible evidence that Good was a member of the Alphabet Mafia. The agent was justified in his use of lethal force against a dangerous criminal. No charges will be filed.”
I’m sure I read some suggestion of charging her with felony murder; as in she committed a felony (anyone’s guess what that would even be) and as a result her wife got shot, which somehow makes it her fault.
Almost certainly the felony murder rule. This is a first-year law school concept that they are twisting and perverting - par for the course for this administration - but it basically means that a group committing a felony are all liable for any murders that happen during the course of that felony.
The idea of using it on an innocent murder victim’s wife to feed into an already ludicrous narrative that the victim was the perpetrator is outright evil. It’s not surprising that these people resigned, because if you have morals, you will feel your skin crawl at the very idea of doing that.
An utterly moronic law in the first place. I remember reading a case where a cop responding to a bank robbery negligently discharged his firarm, killing a colleague, and the robbers got charged with that murder instead of the cop.
Imagine being able to kill a coworker you don’t like and someone else goes to jail for it. I’m not saying the cop who pulled the trigger did it on purpose, but this is literally precedent if you wanted to.
Since ICE was there in the first place and shouldn’t have been, shouldn’t we charge them with the murder?
I mean if we’re playing cutesy baby games with the rules, those motherfuckers shouldn’t be operating armed terror squads on US soil and they have no jurisdiction over US citizens, so any assault they make on a US citizen is 100% a felony so I think we should charge Kristi Noem and Pam Bondi right away
Oh, I think that’s what all reasonable people agree on. ICE, and at least Jonathan Ross, the murderer, should be charged. But qualified immunity is the reason why this guy and ICE more generally hasn’t already been charged.
Qualified Immunity is a protection against civil suits. Committing crimes never falls under its protections. The current issue is that the Federal Government can use the Supremacy Clause to pull any criminal proceeding into Federal Court by making the argument that Ross was executing his duties as a federal agent, if successful the co-opted DoJ can just spike the case or Trump can pardon the crime.
The state has to prove to the court that apprehending a US Citizen is not within ICE’s jurisdiction so the Supremacy Clause should not apply, this is a largely untested situation so we can probably guess how our current Supreme Court will rule on this.
As I understand it, by law there should be an investigation into any time an ICE officer fires a gun.
Naturally, the Trump DOJ has refused to even investigate any instance.
I guess they should have used that one on tramp’s many crimes…but instead they need RICO?
It’s always different for them. For some reason. Somehow.
It’s Wilhoit’s Law:
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition … There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
That doesn’t mean they’re not accountable for their actions.
Im preaching to the choir, I know.
Technically it does, since the law not binding them would mean total impunity but yeah, we’re agreed that it SHOULD bind them 🤷
Morals aside, I’m not sure on a practical level what felony they would be able to even try and argue the wife was committing here.
Who is that?
Damn hes got a great hairline
A reporter that asked trump some easy, direct questions during his first term and got substained crazy back. His expressions have been memed.
HBO reporter that interviewed Trump a few years back
Be warned, it’s extremely painful to watch: https://youtu.be/NmrEfQG6pIg
I’m not surprised that Hannity finds it “almost impossible to comprehend” that someone would resign to uphold their principles.
Both of these talking heads are puppets with the hands of the same puppeteer up their asses.
FOX news needs to be destroyed. Preferably with everyone still inside.
I had the chance to give the staff diarrhea but I felt bad for people like the camera operator or whatever… I worked for a company involved with Dairy Queen and Carvel ice cream and at the start of the “ice cream season” fox does a morning show with them as a advertisement. I was so close to putting exlax in the mix but I decided against it… I still kick myself for not doing it but it wouldn’t have reached assholes like Hannity anyway.
The fact that these monsters would even think of going after the victim’s wife tells you all you need to know about the conservative mind.
Man who would think a corrupt AF soulless scumbag like her would do such a thing.
It wasn’t her intention, but she did effectively help those prosecutors
She handed them a bulletproof unemployment claim. Now they’ll get their PTO paid out in a lump sum, but they’ll also be eligible for unemployment on top of it
Minnesota unemployment decisions are very favorable to workers
She calls them the “deep state” lol
Policy failure? Deep state. Polls down? Deep state. Your revenge prosecutions are getting thrown out of court? Deep state. The few people in the DOJ that have a teeny bit of integrity quitting? Believe it or not, deep state.
More posturing to look like they’re taking charge. I don’t know if any of what I’m about to say is true but if those attorneys already had the accrued PTO, they will get their pay for that time anyway, at least that’s how it’s worked anywhere else I’ve worked in the US. Also, if they can prove that the firing was retaliatory, they may be able to get further compensation and payouts.
Like I said, I know nothing of their employment/contracts so I could be talking out of my ass, but if what I said is true then the government is paying more money than they would be if they just let the prosecutors resign. I could be wrong once benefits are included.
Overall, my theory lines up with yours. They knew thr simple minds at the top would fire them, and somehow that benefits them. They are lawyers after all, and getting hired into the jobs they had makes it very likely they were at least savvy in political maneuvers.
She is trying to save her job.
