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The Trump administration is quoting Nazis, why am I not surprised?
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Do none of you know what this is referring to? Okay, class time. Gather round, because I’m going to give you all a quick history lesson.
Oh, and you should check this out on the side. It will help with the learning.
I don’t know about whether there’s a connection between that slogan and the nazis, but the incident the slogan is allegedly coined from is definitely real.
The SS officer who was killed is Reinhard Heydrich, a SS officer who was high enough to be part of Hitler’s inner circle. Heydrich is understood to be one of the principal architects of the Holocaust.
The village who had its male population (except for the children) wiped out as revenge for Heydrich’s death is Lidice, in the modern Czech Republic.
By the way, you all should watch the movie Anthropoid. It goes over a dramatized version of the events.
And those who did survive got sent to concentration camps. Absolutely despicable behavior
Well that was fucking haunting. Ghouls
Maga do not deserve life.
So many people in this post complaining that its misinformation because its not actually a quote because it wasnt spoken aloud or it doesnt actually come from the nazis. However. The Trump admin DID display this information WITH the intent to threaten the lives of all dissidents and almost certainly with the belief themselves that it comes from nazis, as they wholeheartedly stand on the side of nazis. This isnt misinformation, no matter how picky you want to be, and it is VERY relevant and important to share.
Being a leftist is fun because the fascists have threatened to purge entire communities in response to violence against ICE and we’re arguing about the historicity of the quote and whether displaying a phrase on a podium is technically a quote or not.
It’s fucked up. No one is disagreeing with that. However, making shit up makes your argument weaker. The enemy will only have to point out that you’re making it up to get people to ignore you then. This post is specifically about the made up thing. If it was about the podium then there wouldn’t be an issue.
I don’t understand why people would even be debating that.
if you write something out and display it, it is no different than saying it out loud. that’s not debatable, that’s just the way it is.
My conspiracy theory is that on most big social media, these kinds of debates are mostly conducted by bots to manufacture consent, and that we get people here who just repeat the takes from the bots they’ve seen that have the most likes because they’re hoping they get that many likes too.
this is my take when you see the most asinine shit imaginable on the fediverse where it’s mostly real flesh and blood humans. people bring their biases from getting gassed in comments sections from other places in the form of influence campaigns and then say that shit with their whole chest. i don’t think this can really be fixed here on lemmy because of a variety of factors, i think the best that can be done is ensure that positive, anti-imperial, propaganda has presence that people can identify with and then get verbal confirmation of at group meetings for mutual aid or whatever
If it helps, in another post about if Renee Good’s driving was a part of why she was executed, Lemmy commenters were complaining about if using Google to search online was acceptable.
It’s kinda depressing honestly.
Attacking how communication is done instead of what’s being communicated is a form of subversion the CIA uses to mess with foreign actors. The left and its tolerance towards others (e. g. misgendering by accident) is very susceptible to such attacks and they’ve let themselves be decimated on the public stage because of it.
Just in case anyone is not aware: This slogan is referring to collective punishment, which is a war crime. She is advocating for war crimes, shamelessly, in front of the populace.
I want to clarify something that others aren’t. Yes, things that would be war crimes aren’t if not used in war, but this doesn’t give a reason. A lot of them are to prevent mistakes in war, not because it’s evil. For example, you aren’t allowes to use chemicals that are often used on civilians, but it isn’t because they’re particularly harmful. It’s because you don’t know what they are until latter, so if you see it you may respond with your own chemical weapons, which may be harmful. This is just one example, but a lot of the time “war crimes” are there to prevent escalation, not because of how harmful they are. (Obviously some are because of the harm though.)
War crimes against the people in her own country
Someone shoot that bitch. And tRump and the rest of the cunts around him.
Don’t ask for her to be shot. That’s unclassy and rude. Politely ask someone to Kirk her.
And her husband (if there is someone that can stand her) can then start fucking someone else from the administration. So it is complete Kirking. Maybe Vance would be up for it? He seems to not care, as long as it’s white.
Get kirked
Many things which would be war crimes if carried out by soldiers are legal if done by law enforcement against the people they’re supposed to defend
Then they are crimes against humanity
Yeah, looks like I didn’t fully finish the thought in my head 😅 The seriousness of this situation cannot be overstated. It goes without saying that since taking office, the regime started their campaign of terror without hesitation, and have stepped it up by the day.
War crimes only apply to war. For example, the use of chemical weapons is a war crime, but their use against your own population is apparently fine and dandy.
Sparkling crimes
Fine and dandy
crimes against humanityTrue, but I think that the point stands. Advocating for something that is a war crime, even while not at war, should be treated very seriously.
Of course it should be treated very seriously. It won’t, but it should. The government threatening the people is literally what the 2nd amendment is about.
holy fuck. Not even said, they made a fucking podium
To what was this a response? That people want to bring the Minnesota murderer to court?
That is the confusing thing, no one killed one of theirs. The most pain I’ve seen any of them in is when they’re unprepared for the MN winter.
Must be in response to everyone laughing at the ICE agent slipping on some, ice.
They assume to be the victim at every turn, it’s how they justify breaking the law and brutalizing/killing us.
They’re laying the groundwork for when one of their untrained cowboys is killed by a civilian protecting themselves to justify their overblown response. Or to instill fear so it doesn’t happen.
Yep. Force neighborhoods to suppress themselves.
Then we need to find and eliminate him instead
Yep.
Be careful of false news that suits your narrative, it weakens our position.
That phrase has no known Nazi origin that I could find. As loath as I am to link to Reddit, there is a good write up here:
I’m inclined to give AskHistorians a pass. There is no community on Reddit that tries as hard as they do to moderate their way around the limitations of the platform and its management.
The verified posters tend to be millennial academics with masters or PhD’s in history or closely related fields, and they take the name of the community seriously. You are there to ask a historian a question, and if none answers, then so be it.
And I agree, pushing past the obvious dog whistle to go somewhere the data doesn’t lead is a way to weaken what should be a self-evidently powerful argument that the Trumpers are embracing ever-more-openly fascist positions on, well, everything.
I wholeheartedly agree.
If you ever want to check, just dona search and set the range of dates to end before the current outrage.
Before January, I couldn’t find a single use of that phrase on the internet.
But it’s not some dog whistle, it’s blatantly obvious what they’re saying. Don’t let them get it twisted up so that the only bad things are verbatim what nazis said.
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Same. I did find a recent substack that acknowledges that this phrase as a reprisal war crime was not verbatim used by Nazi Germany, it was just “in the spirit” of how the Nazis did their war crimes.
https://brendonbeebe.substack.com/p/one-of-ours-all-of-yours-origins
Yeah, except that article is incorrect. The whole thing is made up. That isn’t a Nazi slogan and never was.
You didn’t read it.
One thing is clear: the phrase carries power, but its classification as a historic Nazi slogan is not supported by primary historical evidence.
Good message. I agree.
However, their message is still abhorrent
Yeah, mods should probably delete the OP post imo… Its pretty bad to allow something blatantly false to spread like this. Especially looking at the upvote ratio.
The women were sent to concentration camps and most of the kids were gassed. This is literally what they mean when they say “make America great again”
The phrase “One of ours, all of yours” was displayed on a podium during a Department of Homeland Security (DHS) briefing attended by Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem. While images of the podium with the slogan circulated widely on social media, Kristi Noem herself did not say the phrase aloud 12.
The slogan has been linked to Nazi Germany, specifically as a reprisal for the killing of an SS officer 45. Musician Tom Morello alleged that the “Trump admin quoted (verbatim) the slogan” 25. However, other reports indicate that Noem defended ICE agents, stating they acted in self-defense and that “criminal, illegal aliens” would be arrested while American citizens would be protected 1. Some sources suggest that the phrase has not been found in historical texts related to 20th-century history 3.
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Did Kristi Noem really say One of Ours All of Yours? History of …www.primetimer.com
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Kristi Noem One of Ours, All of Yours Podium Message Explainedwww.distractify.com
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If you stand behind a podium and give a speech, that podium is part of it. Whether or not her mouth made those sounds, she fucking said it.
Well this is disingenuous as fuck.
“She didn’t say nazi shit, she just wore a swastika on her arm. Get your facts straight!”
To be fair, I’m sure she definitely also said some Nazi shit… Just not verbatim
Still. She allowed the quote to be displayed while she was making a statement.
Her sentiment is clear.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not defending liars and a$$holes. But it’s not useful to misquote without sources.
The short version is, while the meaning/intent is fascist as hell. The attribution of the phrase is “highly unlikely”.
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Congrats, Amerikkka! You finally managed to achieve socialism! The National kind of Socialism!
that’s not socialism
Look for National Socialism. See if it checks.
Edit: Funny the amount of downvoters. Ignorance is bliss I guess.
maybe try and read a dictionary bud? sorry they downvoted you, but socialism is good, that isn’t socialism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism
Smh. And I quote:
Nazism (/ˈnɑːtsiɪzəm, ˈnæt-/ ⓘNA(H)T-see-iz-əm), formally named National Socialism (NS, German: Nationalsozialismus, German: [natsi̯oˈnaːlzotsi̯aˌlɪsmʊs] ⓘ),
I can call a party “the cumfarts and beer union” and have nothing to do with either, proofs in the pudding, so to speak.
So you don’t actually know what socialism is. If you did, you’d be the last one saying the Nazis were using the name correctly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
Smh. And I quote:
Socialism is an economic and political philosophy encompassing diverse economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production, as opposed to private ownership. It describes the economic, political, and social theories and movements associated with the implementation of such systems. Social ownership can take various forms, including public, community, collective, cooperative, or employee. As one of the main ideologies on the political spectrum, socialism is the standard left-wing ideology in most countries. Types of socialism vary based on the role of markets and planning in resource allocation, and the structure of management in organizations.
To misuse names as labels contradictory to substance is a hallmark of propaganda. I don’t fall for it. Just because Nazis want people to think they’re just crunchy on the outside while remaining warm and caring on the inside and pick a name they think will do that for outsiders doesn’t actually mean shit.
Nuance is important. Learn to look past the name.
Yeah, this is the breaking point 🙄
It’s wild what they’ll put up with until you realize that they’re simply trying to pretend like it’s only the start so they don’t need to actually do anything about it yet.
They could be personally being stabbed and they’ll still say “ohhhh boy when it gets REAL bad I’m gunna be so cool and badass about this”.
Be careful, might be a few more breaking points flying over soon. 😅
If there are any MAGA left after this…
Crickets from MAGA
I can’t find any evidence of this being an actual Nazi slogan. Searching for the phrase and filtering by results before this week turns up pretty much nothing.
(Advocating for collective punishment is obviously unacceptable either way)
Since this has been identified as misinformation by many people in the thread, please delete this post or update the title to reflect that.
Edit: I am extremely confused about the downvotes, would love to discuss the reasoning for it with someone.
Not misleading or false, and doesn’t say anywhere that it was said aloud but quoted. Making those words on your podium counts as quoting.
The post says “today the Trump admin quoted the Nazi mass murder slogan”. The Trump admin did not quote a Nazi mass murder slogan. So, it’s misinformation.
What’s misleading is that the phrase was never used by Nazis, but the content of the post says it is. That’s both false and misleading
