Basically means that the core OS files and systems can’t be changed. Everything else is stacked on top, and usually it means that you can rollback to a previous OS version if an update breaks something, without relying on any other image backup software.
Usually results a more stable reliable system, or at least one that’s easy to revert to working.
The downside being a reduction in flexibility and customizable options, and most programs need to be “containerized.”
I choose a distro based on the name and logo. If the distro doesn’t feel cool anymore, I switch.
This is why I never used Ubuntu.
ZFS - Snapshotting with cachyos is like a magic shield.
Interesting. I’ve only used zfs for my nas. Do you run it on a single drive?
Same but cachyos
and garuda! love garuda
I do not get why people on distros like Endevour or Cachy say that they use arch. It makes me cringe everytime. Be proud of your distro, they are all good.
for me at least, endevour and cachy dont rlly have an identity, they feel like Arch but easier to install with very little difference in actual use
I’ve done full manual installs and archinstall installs of mainline arch and I would argue endevouros is arch. It’s more than just “arch based” it’s literally a basic arch install with calamaris. It updates from official arch repos and arch kernal ect.
While I only tell people I use endevouros I do not understand why anyone cares if an endevouros user says they use arch lol. What is the difference between that and something like archinstall besides slightly easier btrfs configs?
I’d consider CatchyOS to be in the arch based category but not EndevourOS
I’ve done full manual installs and archinstall installs of mainline arch and I would argue endevouros is arch
If I said I had just installed Arch and someone found out that i had installed EndevourOS I would consider that lying. To me Endevour has a completely different philosophy and culture than Arch. Its preconfigured to someone elses liking which is basically the complete opposite of Arch. They’re different in every way except sharing the same packages which a ton of distros do. If EndevourOS isnt its own distro then a ton of distros get erased and linux becomes instantly less diverse.
I do not understand why anyone cares if an endevouros user says they use arch lol
Well I agree it would be weird for someone to get upset over it I think having a baseline care for people to be truthful and accurate is perfectly understandable. Lying to me means there is something wrong like a person is trying to cover for something. I dont want people to think they should be embarrassed for saying they use endevour and feel pressured to say they use arch instead. Plus I would say arch being arch is an iconic part of linux culture and ought to be preserved.
Cause it’s funny to say arch btw
Its only funny if you’re actually an arch user tho.
Because Endevour and Cachy are based on Arch, btw.
Recently I enabled the Cachyos repositories on my several years old Arch install for the better compiler options and scheduler. It feels snappier now.
I tried running Bazzite for a few months, but just kept running into one weird issue after another. Went to Endeavor and they all went away overnight.
I’m technical enough that I can configure Arch from scratch, but simply can’t be bothered. I just need my computer to work. Every day.
I felt like when I was working with Arch, and I’m sure it’s operator error, it was like maintaining a starship with a dozen systems that could individually go wrong and I was responsible for all of them. Endeavor was fully setup with no weirdness in less than 30 minutes.
I had cachyos for 6 months no issues than the last 6 months it’s been freezing constantly, was fine on an older kernel, but fans and performance mode didnt work, stuck on high or low (could swap on latest rc kernel, but itd freeze) Tried bazzite and so far no freezes (except when using usb c to display port but I had bsod on windows doing that in vr and I think thats just a laptop hardware problem)
Same experience with bazzite.I had a very strange issue with packages completly gone after using LACT to experiment and managing to freeze my os.
TBH I realised immutable systems aren’t for me and I am not a linux noob, so I immediately went back to Arch and never looked back.
archinstall is amazing btw. Best installer by far IMHO. shit free, takes 30s to setup an arch system with great defaults. Nothing beats it for me.
Edit: for me someone using “I use void btw” would make more sense.
What does immutable mean? I’ve been using Linux for decades and never heard it until recently.
Garuda is an Arch based non immutable distro with a similar gaming and performance focus to Bazzite. It’s where I went when Bazzite felt off to me.
For anyone thinking of a switch, it’s worth a look.
Had the opposite experience, tried Endevour first, must have done something wrong as it started running like ass/freezing up constantly requiring a full reboot to come back.
Swapped to bazzite and didn’t have that issue again, I did get to learn more about how to work with mutable distros too.
Ultimately didn’t matter much as that laptop died about a year later anyway, it won’t turn on at all anymore, good run of like 10 years tho.
Someone could write a book…
The Joys of Distro-Hopping
bazzite isnt in this meme?
The post I’m replying to mentions their experience with Bazzite lol
sorry, i had just woken up
I get that people like things to be easier, but honestly, Arch’s installation process is so streamlined these days that I don’t see that as the selling point. However, if it provides a better driver experience, then that’s cool. Simply not something I need.
I have used both Arch and Eos. I use a special tiling wm, and I have Nvidia. Form Arch I have to install everything I need, from Eos I just select install without a wm/dm remove some bloat and install the missing. Almost the same outcome, almost the same time to set up. So it does not matter (for me).
Out of the box Eos provieds ease, Arch provides knowledge (along the way). I have friends which are tech savy enough to daily drive Eos, but unintrested to learn how the linux ecosystem works by installing Arch (at least until a bug forces them to read the wiki)
EOS provides some more QoL features, it’s not just the installation itself (a button to update mirrors, auto keyring update, some nice pre-installed things like yay, etc)
If you need an Arch installation ready to go out of the box, EOS is a solid choice.
Edit: not trying to convince you to jump to EOS, just providing a bit more context about the distro
Yeah, that’s cool. For me, the beauty of Arch is how naked it is when I install it. It’s like “least priveleges” but for my workstation. I only add the crap I want. No more, no less.
I cut my teeth on FreeBSD 2.2.1 way back in '97 or whenever the hell that came out. Suffice it to say, that OS was naked as hell. Arch feels like coming home to me in a strange way, even though BSD is still solid. Linux is a much better workstation that BSD these days.
edit: perhaps I’m something of a masochist. :)
archinstall straight up could not deal with the partition setup I wanted, EOS installed without problems. Something about installing btrfs with multiple subvolumes next to Windows on the same drive.
Cool. Glad it worked for you.
My wife found it accessible enough that I switched my own setup to it for consistency and it’s done well. But yeah if arch works don’t consider switching
i love both, can anyone explain this meme to me?
EndeavourOS makes running an Arch system easier, that’s all. Could swap out EndeavourOS with CachyOS and the meme would be the same.
oh wow, thats what its saying? maybe my brain is bad, but this meme really doesnt clearly convey that. thanks for the help!
Does this work for cachyOS too?
Nod-nod!
Yes, but CachyOS for me.
So far only one update broke my entire system but luckily snapper was configured in the installation process so i just rolled back and updated 4 days later.
To each their own. I love plain 'ol vanilla Arch.
Today’s arch experience : upgraded after 6 months or so. Yeah, had to upgrade signatures first, had to remove manually conflicted stuff, and that’s it. Works, as ever.
Now yesterday I tried installing stremio on my wife’s ubuntu. Gosh wtf, how do they expect any normal consumer going through gît and stack’ just to install that piece of crap.
I like endeavorOS, it’s the main distro I use on my pcs. I’ve run arch before (with i3wm and switchable Nvidia graphics) and did for years, but honestly I don’t really have the time to properly configure my systems to my liking, so the option to install the sway community edition and just tweak a few settings in the config files is very nice.
